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Singularity Mechanics
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newton Grav. Lab, Tsiolkovsky Inst.
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Magnetic Monopoles Detected In A Real Magnet For The First Time
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Prince
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Well this is huge news if confirmed.
Ah wait...[reading the links] Looks like a clever construct that makes dipoles look like a monopole. How odd, interesting stuff.
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Interesting news, though it doesn't really seem to be "the real big thing". Quote:
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Prince
Join Date: May 2007
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Does this news, if confirmed, change any current ideas about electromagnetism or particle physics ? or is it just evidence backing up what was already thought ? |
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civoholic
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If that is true it would indeed be one of the most important findings in experimental physics ever.
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Prince
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True monopoles would mess up physics in a serious way, they invalidate one of Maxwell's equations that the divergengence of a mag field must be zero(for background: there are 4eqts called Maxwells equations that completely sum up all electromagnetic phenomena and Special relativity is a consequence of Maxwell's eqts). However, the articles do not point to "real" monopoles. They are a clever collection of dipoles that happen to look like a monopole at the right length scale.
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civoholic
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It is actually simple to find out whether a black box contains several magnetic dipoles or a magnetic monopole. I agree that this is probably a clever collection of dipoles but they have obviously found some weird quantum thing that makes them look like a monopole. I wonder how far two monopoles can be departed from each other.
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Prince
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Read the links in the OP.
They don't 100% explain but it looks like a solid state trick whereby (in a given crystal) the dipoles are aligned into a stucture a bit like a carbon nanotube, and there is a blob of monopole at each end of the tube. Now that's clearly not quite what's going on because that will never satisfy the divB=/=0 (for any gaussian surface) that defines a monopole.
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Deity
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![]() But this is actually really interesting news, I followed Atrebates' advice and what he got out of the article seems to be what I've gotten - it's a very interesting effect but doesn't seem like a true monopole.
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Scourge of St. Lawrence
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Are you kidding? They make statements that get taken out of context by journalists all the time. Remember "quantum teleportation"? Nice phrase, except that it only communicates information. If communication were teleportation, then whoever sent the first smoke signal did it. Nor is it instantaneous - it can only work in conjunction with some other communication medium, such as a telephone line or radio transmission (or even smoke signals!), and in terms of communication, is limited by the speed and bandwidth of that communication. What it really is, is quantum encryption. If you said to a journalist "well, I'm oversimplifying in order to explain it in lay terms, but in a sense, you could think of it as being vaguely like X, however ..." the headline will say "Scientists discover X!!" |
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Deity
Join Date: Feb 2007
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If you compare quantum entanglement to smoke signals, then you badly missed the point of it. |
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Scourge of St. Lawrence
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That's precisely what it does.
In quantum teleportation, an unknown quantum state is faithfully transferred from a sender (Alice) to a receiver (Bob). To perform the teleportation, Alice and Bob must have a classical communication channel and must also share quantum entanglement -- in the protocol we employ*, each possesses one half of a two-particle entangled state. Alice makes an appropriate projective measurement (Bell measurement) of the unknown state together with her component of the shared entangled state. The result of this measurement is a random piece of classical information which Alice sends to Bob over their classical communication channel. Bob uses this information to choose a unitary transformation which he performs on his component of the shared entangled state, thus transforming it into an output state identical to the original (unknown) input. http://www.its.caltech.edu/~qoptics/teleport.html Quote:
The idea of teleportation doesn't come from the speed of the thing. It comes from the fact that, with no intermediate action occuring, a change in state in one particle is reflected by a change in state in another particle. A relation or state is changing at a distance. This does not mean you can send apples or any physical thing from one place to another ... it only means you can have a particle's spin state in one location reflected in another location. Quote:
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Deity
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No, you're reading it wrong. The point of quantum teleportation is the instantaneous transfer of a quantum mechanical state. This is not equivalent to information. Actually all information is going over the classical channel in these protocolls. If any information traveled through the quantum channel, you could use this for instantaneous communication.
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No matter how slow that conventional medium is, be it electric signals, smoke signals or snail mail, the actual transfer, the exciting thing, happens instantaneously (Well, assuming that you can keep the state alive until the snail arrives...). |
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Deity
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You could define a qubit as "quantum information" and could say that quantum information was transferred. But this is not equal to classical information and these shouldn't be confused. |
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