Renaming the Vikings

mechaerik · Nov 22, 2009, 02:50 PM

As many people would tell you, "Viking" is not a good name for the Civ. So I have decided to rename it, but I'm not sure to what:

1) Scandinavian Empire
2) Nordic Empire
3) Norse Empire
4) Other (specify, please!)
5) Just keep them the Vikings

for 2 and 3, however, i don't have a good short civ name for them (i.e; Germany, France, Japan). So if you vote 2 or 3, give me a good short name.

If you have another idea, that would be great too.

BTW, the Berserker will be renamed to "Viking".

Duuk · Nov 22, 2009, 02:54 PM

That's the problem. The civ is a weird amalgam of the Nordic tribes. Probably should have been the Danes with Danish city names (Denmark having been the only "Imperial" scandinavian country).

But I'd think many people wouldn't recognize the "Danish" as a huge empire except history nuts. But then again, we're the kind of people that think they could have been the Hanseatic League.

Ajidica · Nov 22, 2009, 03:13 PM

It really depends on what time period the game is in. Since your keeping the UU as a similar berserker, calling them Danes would work.

mechaerik · Nov 22, 2009, 03:23 PM

Its a general mod, not a scenario.

The Capo · Nov 22, 2009, 04:57 PM

I chose Scandinavia because that is what they were called in Civ III. Besides that Norse and Nordic have geographical connotations and you may play a game where they are in the south. I'd be against calling them the Danes mainly because not all Scandinavians or Norse are Danes, unless of course you want to edit the city list and stuff.

EDIT: Having said all of that, I'm leaving them as the Vikings in my own mod. But that is partially because I have modules for Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc.

Vrenir · Nov 22, 2009, 09:33 PM

I'd say 'Danes' only because 'Scandinavians' is too long to fit correctly on the selection screens.

GeoModder · Nov 23, 2009, 10:49 AM

Call them by there own name in old Norse: Víkingr. Seems to mean something like 'expeditioners'...

remake20 · Nov 23, 2009, 11:43 AM

Danes

MadmanOfALeader · Nov 24, 2009, 04:41 AM

I would choose Scandinavia, but only as the civ's name. The Empire is the Viking Empire, and the demonym for it's people is the Vikings. THAT'S how Civ III did it.

cybrxkhan · Nov 24, 2009, 04:41 PM

I'd go with Scandinavia - it's the most general, and represents the region for its entire history.

Ajidica · Nov 24, 2009, 08:56 PM

I don't like the name 'Scandanavia' as its like lumping all the Native Americas, Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, and Ameria into one civ and labeling it 'New World'. Chose either Danes or Swedes.

Manifold · Nov 25, 2009, 10:03 AM

Vikings (the term of the people in the "Berserker"-Era, like Roman, Holy Roman, Aztec...)

"Danes" is too short, it did not contain the Varangians and Norwegians
"Scandinavia" is too wide, it contains the Finns

cybrxkhan · Nov 25, 2009, 11:24 AM

The problem with Vikings is that that term is "incorrect" - so I've heard. I remember a long time on these forums in some thread we got into this Scandinavia vs. Vikings discussion. A guy from Iceland, I think, indicated that Scandinavia was better than Vikings. According to him, having a "viking civ" for Scandinavia is equivalent to having a "Cowboy Civ" for America.

All in all, however, it is just a name, so I guess it's best for the modder to decide...

mechaerik · Nov 25, 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadmanOfALeader

I would choose Scandinavia, but only as the civ's name. The Empire is the Viking Empire, and the demonym for it's people is the Vikings. THAT'S how Civ III did it.

Yeah, my original plan was to go with Norse/Nordic Empire as the long description, Scandinavia as the short, and Norse/Nordic as the adjective/demonym.
Also, I made a mistake in the poll wording: "Them the Vikings".

MadmanOfALeader · Nov 25, 2009, 12:44 PM

If it's between Norse and Nordic, go with Norse.

The Capo · Nov 25, 2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajidica

I don't like the name 'Scandanavia' as its like lumping all the Native Americas, Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, and Ameria into one civ and labeling it 'New World'. Chose either Danes or Swedes.

I don't think it is the same thing really, its similar, but not as bad as lumping together all of the Native American tribes. The Native American tribes were far less similar than the various Norse Kingdoms. Although I do get the point.

Ninja2 · Nov 26, 2009, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybrxkhan

... having a "viking civ" for Scandinavia is equivalent to having a "Cowboy Civ" for America.

Now THAT, would be cool!

Billy the Kid or Wyatt Earp for leaders!

OT: I voted for Norse. Scandinavians is too long, Vikings is wrong, Nordic is bleh, Norse is just cool.

CyberChrist · Nov 26, 2009, 11:38 AM

Long or not then Scandinavians is by far the most broad ranging accurate name for the people and nations this civilization is intended to cover (namely Denmark, Sweden and Norway - and by a gentle stretch of historical association: Finland, Iceland and the Faroe Islands as well).

Also, imo then at the same time the Berserker unit should be renamed to Viking (which among other mean "sea raider") to keep the fear and focus of the Vikings in that era of the game.

Duuk · Nov 28, 2009, 08:56 AM

The only non-Scandinavian nation that gets lumped in with them is the Finns, who are Finno-Urgic in descent, more closely related to early north russians than swedes. Iceland and Greenland (and Norway) were just Danish colonies.

If you wanted to REALLY do a quality mod, you'd remove Vikings as a civ and add Danes and Swedes separate.

NikNaks · Nov 28, 2009, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duuk

If you wanted to REALLY do a quality mod, you'd remove Vikings as a civ and add Danes and Swedes separate

... which is the debate I started a month or two ago.

I'd have to side with the Scandinavians on this one, but if there was a splitting option, I'd vouch for that.

View Poll Results: What should the Vikings be renamed?
Scandanavian Empire	9	25.00%
Nordic Empire	2	5.56%
Norse Empire	10	27.78%
Other (Please Specify in Post)	4	11.11%
None, Them the Vikings.	11	30.56%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

Nov 22, 2009, 02:50 PM	#1
mechaerik General Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,527	Renaming the Vikings As many people would tell you, "Viking" is not a good name for the Civ. So I have decided to rename it, but I'm not sure to what: 1) Scandinavian Empire 2) Nordic Empire 3) Norse Empire 4) Other (specify, please!) 5) Just keep them the Vikings for 2 and 3, however, i don't have a good short civ name for them (i.e; Germany, France, Japan). So if you vote 2 or 3, give me a good short name. If you have another idea, that would be great too. BTW, the Berserker will be renamed to "Viking". Last edited by mechaerik; Nov 22, 2009 at 03:03 PM.

Nov 22, 2009, 02:54 PM	#2
Duuk Right Wing Liberal Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA Posts: 956	That's the problem. The civ is a weird amalgam of the Nordic tribes. Probably should have been the Danes with Danish city names (Denmark having been the only "Imperial" scandinavian country). But I'd think many people wouldn't recognize the "Danish" as a huge empire except history nuts. But then again, we're the kind of people that think they could have been the Hanseatic League. __________________ "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -- Ronald Reagan RevDCM Scenarios and Maps: Here

Nov 22, 2009, 03:13 PM	#3
Ajidica Mephistophel Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bellinzona Posts: 14,300	It really depends on what time period the game is in. Since your keeping the UU as a similar berserker, calling them Danes would work. __________________ One thing we are good at in English is having words for ways to die.-Neil deGrasse Tyson, on 'spaghettification' Looking at the poster again, I also like the way that the baby is cocking its head and looking away from the doctor, as if to show that this not merely a skeletal Moai-baby, it's a particularly aloof and disinterested skeletal Moai-baby.-Traitorfish

Nov 22, 2009, 04:57 PM	#5
The Capo godless Heathen Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 8,957	I chose Scandinavia because that is what they were called in Civ III. Besides that Norse and Nordic have geographical connotations and you may play a game where they are in the south. I'd be against calling them the Danes mainly because not all Scandinavians or Norse are Danes, unless of course you want to edit the city list and stuff. EDIT: Having said all of that, I'm leaving them as the Vikings in my own mod. But that is partially because I have modules for Sweden, Denmark, Norway etc. __________________ Religion flies men into buildings, science flies men to the moon... Check out my stuff!!! UNITS \| LEADERHEADS \| DIPLOMACY II

Nov 22, 2009, 03:23 PM	#4
mechaerik General Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,527	Its a general mod, not a scenario.

Nov 22, 2009, 09:33 PM	#6
Vrenir King Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Washington State Posts: 818 Images: 10	I'd say 'Danes' only because 'Scandinavians' is too long to fit correctly on the selection screens. __________________ Xikorolsur. My Leaderhead Request Thread: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...20#post7525520

Nov 23, 2009, 10:49 AM	#7
GeoModder Deity Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,469 Images: 1	Call them by there own name in old Norse: Víkingr. Seems to mean something like 'expeditioners'...

Nov 23, 2009, 11:43 AM	#8
remake20 Next year Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Quite near St Louis Posts: 3,482	Danes

Nov 24, 2009, 04:41 AM	#9
MadmanOfALeader Deity Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,467	I would choose Scandinavia, but only as the civ's name. The Empire is the Viking Empire, and the demonym for it's people is the Vikings. THAT'S how Civ III did it. __________________ I'm Winston Churchill. Would you like some tea? I would because I'm Winston Churchill. Would you like a crumpet? I would because I'm Winston Churchill. Do you like to wear knickers? I do because I'm Winston Churchill.

Nov 24, 2009, 04:41 PM	#10
cybrxkhan Most Serene Khan of PHO Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Universe Posts: 6,594	I'd go with Scandinavia - it's the most general, and represents the region for its entire history. __________________ LEADERHEADS \| DIPLOMACY MUSIC \| CIV OF THE WEEK The Unofficial Expansion Pack WORLD OF LEGENDS Version 0.61 Warning: Rabid Eurocentrism Hater

Nov 24, 2009, 08:56 PM	#11
Ajidica Mephistophel Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bellinzona Posts: 14,300	I don't like the name 'Scandanavia' as its like lumping all the Native Americas, Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, and Ameria into one civ and labeling it 'New World'. Chose either Danes or Swedes. __________________ One thing we are good at in English is having words for ways to die.-Neil deGrasse Tyson, on 'spaghettification' Looking at the poster again, I also like the way that the baby is cocking its head and looking away from the doctor, as if to show that this not merely a skeletal Moai-baby, it's a particularly aloof and disinterested skeletal Moai-baby.-Traitorfish

Nov 25, 2009, 10:03 AM	#12
Manifold ModderProtectionAdvocate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 601	Vikings (the term of the people in the "Berserker"-Era, like Roman, Holy Roman, Aztec...) "Danes" is too short, it did not contain the Varangians and Norwegians "Scandinavia" is too wide, it contains the Finns __________________ Great work already managed: xml, flags, buttons, tga, skin rework, switch weapon, soundchecker, python modding per accident, simply LH maker My Civ4 Files: middle-earth, britannia, Lone Wolf - Magnamund; Beta release *The World of Odysseus* My Civ5 Files: middle-earth -NEW- v5, again a world map -NEW- v4 (90x53-standard size)

Nov 25, 2009, 11:24 AM	#13
cybrxkhan Most Serene Khan of PHO Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Universe Posts: 6,594	The problem with Vikings is that that term is "incorrect" - so I've heard. I remember a long time on these forums in some thread we got into this Scandinavia vs. Vikings discussion. A guy from Iceland, I think, indicated that Scandinavia was better than Vikings. According to him, having a "viking civ" for Scandinavia is equivalent to having a "Cowboy Civ" for America. All in all, however, it is just a name, so I guess it's best for the modder to decide... __________________ LEADERHEADS \| DIPLOMACY MUSIC \| CIV OF THE WEEK The Unofficial Expansion Pack WORLD OF LEGENDS Version 0.61 Warning: Rabid Eurocentrism Hater

Nov 25, 2009, 12:44 PM	#15
MadmanOfALeader Deity Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,467	If it's between Norse and Nordic, go with Norse. __________________ I'm Winston Churchill. Would you like some tea? I would because I'm Winston Churchill. Would you like a crumpet? I would because I'm Winston Churchill. Do you like to wear knickers? I do because I'm Winston Churchill.

Nov 26, 2009, 11:38 AM	#18
CyberChrist You caught my attention Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Matrix Posts: 1,381	Long or not then Scandinavians is by far the most broad ranging accurate name for the people and nations this civilization is intended to cover (namely Denmark, Sweden and Norway - and by a gentle stretch of historical association: Finland, Iceland and the Faroe Islands as well). Also, imo then at the same time the Berserker unit should be renamed to Viking (which among other mean "sea raider") to keep the fear and focus of the Vikings in that era of the game. __________________ CyberChrist

Nov 28, 2009, 08:56 AM	#19
Duuk Right Wing Liberal Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA Posts: 956	The only non-Scandinavian nation that gets lumped in with them is the Finns, who are Finno-Urgic in descent, more closely related to early north russians than swedes. Iceland and Greenland (and Norway) were just Danish colonies. If you wanted to REALLY do a quality mod, you'd remove Vikings as a civ and add Danes and Swedes separate. __________________ "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." -- Ronald Reagan RevDCM Scenarios and Maps: Here

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