Brazil and a little detail...

Portuguese · Oct 24, 2002, 02:41 PM

OK, it's unbelivable how I didn't ask this here before:

Can anyone here explain me WHY the Portuguese are not in this game?

Why are that Dutch guys in the game and there ae no Portuguese?!?

In Tordesilhas treaty, Portugal and Spain divided the world in 2: half for each. Consequently, Portugal stay with Brazil and Terra Nova (Canada) and Spain with the rest of the Americas.

Portugal hold Brazil till 1825. And Bazil is not a small thing: it's that HUGE thing in South America. Impossible to pass by without being noticed...

So, Why isn't Portugal there? Does anyone have any idea about it?!?

Shabbaman · Oct 25, 2002, 07:21 AM

Well, it's an american game. They're not known for their historical knowledge.
You could ask the same question for civ3 (actually, you've already done that, so I won't go into it any further)

gr8ful wes · Oct 25, 2002, 09:39 AM

I think that it is a fair argument. The portugese were very important explorers and exceptional mariners early on. I have also heard arguments for including Norse and Swedes. Both had colonies in the new world. I would try and play as them for sure, What special advantage should they get to start with? Portugese ships travel a few extra squares? Norse farmers get more yeild from tundra areas? Swedes fish better?

Matrix · Oct 28, 2002, 07:05 AM

As far as I know the Dutch were just as active in the colonial days as the Portuguese. We've had New York (New Amsterdam), Suriname, Indonesia and South Africa. And we were very active in piracy.

I do agree that Portugal (and Dutch) should be in Civ3 as well, though. Of the 24 in PTW, there are some of nations far less important in history than we.

Portuguese · Oct 28, 2002, 03:09 PM

So why are not them in the game?

I love the game,but when I played it and I see Brazil in others hands, I get

and delete it!

Why did they do that for me?!?

Portuguese in CIV3: of course, and the Dutch too (in fact,more in CIV3, as Indonesia and South Africa are part of the world but not of the Americas. I don't understand how they get included in Col and not in CIV... Firaxians...

Piracy: So you finally admit, hugh!?!

Shabbaman · Oct 29, 2002, 07:32 AM

Only in the eye of the beholder of course. It's more a matter of claiming what was rightfully ours.
Dutch people look great wearing silver

Portuguese · Oct 29, 2002, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shabbaman
Only in the eye of the beholder of course. It's more a matter of claiming what was rightfully ours.
Dutch people look great wearing silver

meaning...

Revolutionairy · Oct 29, 2002, 03:35 PM

Do any you know who Drake was? (That was sarcasm)

Britainnia rules the waves! We beat you all! But I do argee the Portuguese should be inculuded.

Shabbaman · Oct 30, 2002, 02:56 AM

Piet Hein!

Revolutionairy · Oct 30, 2002, 11:08 AM

Os portuguêses são tudo direitos por mim!

Pretty good for a english boy ehh

Portuguese · Oct 31, 2002, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Revolutionairy
Os portuguêses são tudo direitos por mim!

Pretty good for a english boy ehh

Yes, pretty good for an non-native!

And thaks for the support!

Revolutionairy · Oct 31, 2002, 03:45 PM

My freind has a mum from Spain and he speaks Spainish Portuguse and something called catatoneian(sp?) it all from the area though

Portuguese · Oct 31, 2002, 05:41 PM

What's a catatoneian?!?

Is that from Catalunya?!?

Revolutionairy · Oct 31, 2002, 05:51 PM

I'm not sure I'll get to you with the correct spelling

All I know it is spoken on the Eastern Coast of Spain.

Revolutionairy · Oct 31, 2002, 05:54 PM

Just phoned my freind it is Catalan. Spoken in somewhere called Aragon and Murcia. It is the mother tounge of only about 5 or 6 million. Ever heard of it?

Portuguese · Oct 31, 2002, 06:03 PM

Of Course. Do you know Barcelona?

Catalan is spoken there and in the rest of Catalunya (Barcelona is the capital of that "state")

If you had ever seen soccer, then you must know Barcelona. It has one of top European Football teams.

Figo used to play there...

That thing you said in Portuguese above: was that translated in Altavista or somewhere or did you know that?

de Montcalm · Nov 28, 2002, 06:17 AM

Portuguese it looks like you ask this question for every game where your country isn't in

Well you can see it like this:
In this period of time and even today Portugal and Spain is very similar. They used the same methods (religious reasons,....) and colonized the same area. I agree with you the Dutch empire was clearly behind the Portuguese in military matters but their trade empire was the largest and the most important in the world. What they can't conquer they bought and from this point of view it's justified to put the Dutch before the Portuguese.

So perhaps you can just start the game as the Spaniards and imagine they are Portuguese

Portuguese · Nov 28, 2002, 09:24 AM

Or change txt's...

About the Dutch: they are posterior and they never reached a control of the seas or of a land like Brazil like the Portuguese...

And this game should have Portuguese. At least this one...

Shabbaman · Dec 03, 2002, 06:07 AM

Tough luck.
The VOC shipped all those slaves to America, so I guess that microprose is still gracious about that.
I fully comply with de montcalm.

de Montcalm · Dec 03, 2002, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shabbaman
Only in the eye of the beholder of course. It's more a matter of claiming what was rightfully ours.
Dutch people look great wearing silver

Quote:

Originally posted by Portuguese
meaning...

meaning: Good bye Spanish silver fleet

Oct 24, 2002, 02:41 PM	#1
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	Brazil and a little detail... OK, it's unbelivable how I didn't ask this here before: Can anyone here explain me WHY the Portuguese are not in this game? Why are that Dutch guys in the game and there ae no Portuguese?!? In Tordesilhas treaty, Portugal and Spain divided the world in 2: half for each. Consequently, Portugal stay with Brazil and Terra Nova (Canada) and Spain with the rest of the Americas. Portugal hold Brazil till 1825. And Bazil is not a small thing: it's that HUGE thing in South America. Impossible to pass by without being noticed... So, Why isn't Portugal there? Does anyone have any idea about it?!? __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Oct 25, 2002, 07:21 AM	#2
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	Well, it's an american game. They're not known for their historical knowledge. You could ask the same question for civ3 (actually, you've already done that, so I won't go into it any further) __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 25, 2002, 09:39 AM	#3
gr8ful wes Deity Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: PA, USA Posts: 2,529	I think that it is a fair argument. The portugese were very important explorers and exceptional mariners early on. I have also heard arguments for including Norse and Swedes. Both had colonies in the new world. I would try and play as them for sure, What special advantage should they get to start with? Portugese ships travel a few extra squares? Norse farmers get more yeild from tundra areas? Swedes fish better? __________________ Take 'em!!!

Oct 28, 2002, 07:05 AM	#4
Matrix Deity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Groningen, Netherlands Posts: 5,547 Images: 1	As far as I know the Dutch were just as active in the colonial days as the Portuguese. We've had New York (New Amsterdam), Suriname, Indonesia and South Africa. And we were very active in piracy. I do agree that Portugal (and Dutch) should be in Civ3 as well, though. Of the 24 in PTW, there are some of nations far less important in history than we. __________________ DDPP, mother of all PBEM's: Log & Common page I hate long posts.

Oct 28, 2002, 03:09 PM	#5
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	So why are not them in the game? I love the game,but when I played it and I see Brazil in others hands, I get and delete it! Why did they do that for me?!? Portuguese in CIV3: of course, and the Dutch too (in fact,more in CIV3, as Indonesia and South Africa are part of the world but not of the Americas. I don't understand how they get included in Col and not in CIV... Firaxians... Piracy: So you finally admit, hugh!?! __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Oct 29, 2002, 07:32 AM	#6
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	Only in the eye of the beholder of course. It's more a matter of claiming what was rightfully ours. Dutch people look great wearing silver __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 29, 2002, 03:35 PM	#8
Revolutionairy President for life Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: EU (British region) Posts: 761	Do any you know who Drake was? (That was sarcasm) Britainnia rules the waves! We beat you all! But I do argee the Portuguese should be inculuded. __________________ If olive oil comes from olives than where does baby oil come from??

Oct 30, 2002, 02:56 AM	#9
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	Piet Hein! __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 30, 2002, 11:08 AM	#10
Revolutionairy President for life Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: EU (British region) Posts: 761	Os portuguêses são tudo direitos por mim! Pretty good for a english boy ehh __________________ If olive oil comes from olives than where does baby oil come from??

Oct 31, 2002, 03:45 PM	#12
Revolutionairy President for life Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: EU (British region) Posts: 761	My freind has a mum from Spain and he speaks Spainish Portuguse and something called catatoneian(sp?) it all from the area though __________________ If olive oil comes from olives than where does baby oil come from??

Oct 31, 2002, 05:41 PM	#13
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	What's a catatoneian?!? Is that from Catalunya?!? __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Oct 31, 2002, 05:51 PM	#14
Revolutionairy President for life Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: EU (British region) Posts: 761	I'm not sure I'll get to you with the correct spelling All I know it is spoken on the Eastern Coast of Spain. __________________ If olive oil comes from olives than where does baby oil come from??

Oct 31, 2002, 05:54 PM	#15
Revolutionairy President for life Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: EU (British region) Posts: 761	Just phoned my freind it is Catalan. Spoken in somewhere called Aragon and Murcia. It is the mother tounge of only about 5 or 6 million. Ever heard of it? __________________ If olive oil comes from olives than where does baby oil come from??

Oct 31, 2002, 06:03 PM	#16
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	Of Course. Do you know Barcelona? Catalan is spoken there and in the rest of Catalunya (Barcelona is the capital of that "state") If you had ever seen soccer, then you must know Barcelona. It has one of top European Football teams. Figo used to play there... That thing you said in Portuguese above: was that translated in Altavista or somewhere or did you know that? __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Nov 28, 2002, 06:17 AM	#17
de Montcalm Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: La Rochelle, France Posts: 49	Portuguese it looks like you ask this question for every game where your country isn't in Well you can see it like this: In this period of time and even today Portugal and Spain is very similar. They used the same methods (religious reasons,....) and colonized the same area. I agree with you the Dutch empire was clearly behind the Portuguese in military matters but their trade empire was the largest and the most important in the world. What they can't conquer they bought and from this point of view it's justified to put the Dutch before the Portuguese. So perhaps you can just start the game as the Spaniards and imagine they are Portuguese

Nov 28, 2002, 09:24 AM	#18
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	Or change txt's... About the Dutch: they are posterior and they never reached a control of the seas or of a land like Brazil like the Portuguese... And this game should have Portuguese. At least this one... __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Dec 03, 2002, 06:07 AM	#19
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	Tough luck. The VOC shipped all those slaves to America, so I guess that microprose is still gracious about that. I fully comply with de montcalm. __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

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