Petition asking the developers to ignore petitons

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 11:31 AM

My self-defeating petition asks the developers to trust their own judgment. Only they know the big picture they are shooting for. Do not be swayed by even the hugest petitions by people who have yet to play the game. Stay the course! I want to see a truly innovative Civ. Don't be spooked into making Civ4.5.

MSTK · Feb 22, 2010, 11:33 AM

I will sign this proudly.

f35acepilot · Feb 22, 2010, 11:36 AM

Definitely signed.

nzk13 · Feb 22, 2010, 11:38 AM

I anti-vote this petition. Public opinion is very important for a game (duh). That's the best way for the developers to anticipate sales.

MSTK · Feb 22, 2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nzk13

I anti-vote this petition. Public opinion is very important for a game (duh). That's the best way for the developers to anticipate sales. Besides, anything we don't like can just be modded out, or modded in.

I'm not sure why you included the bolded statement, as it seems to support this more than it is against this.

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MSTK

I'm not sure why you included the bolded statement, as it seems to support this more than it is against this.

I want the core game to be good. I really don't care if we can hack it up with a chainsaw later.

If the *developers* decide not to go with one unit per tile on their own I trust them. If they do so because of some damn petition I'll be very sad.

Tavenier · Feb 22, 2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MSTK

I will sign this proudly.

Me too.

eireksten · Feb 22, 2010, 12:24 PM

Signed!

It seems to me that most of the people complaining about game mechanics (which mostly are speculations at this point, btw), see them in the context of Civ 4 or even one the other civ games. Often, it seems, they are principally against anything that deviates from the earlier games.

Besides, I trust that the testing team will do a good enough job to make this an entertaining and interesting game.

edit: I should mention also, that those of us who like what we've seen/heard from the game might not bother to write as much about it as the rest. That doesn't mean we are fewer.

Bill3000 · Feb 22, 2010, 12:57 PM

I sign the petition asking the developers to ignore petitions asking the developers to ignore petitions.

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill3000

I sign the petition asking the developers to ignore petitions asking the developers to ignore petitions.

I double sign this petition asking the developers to ignore petitions asking the developers to ignore petitions to ignore petitions to ignore petit... <ERROR>

PS: Your response is pretty funny even if I still adamantly believe developers should ignore all fan petitions

Voyhkah · Feb 22, 2010, 02:27 PM

I DO NOT SIGN! I want civ V to be the way I and my fellow civfanatics like it!

This thread reminds me of the old riddle:

You are going to die. To decide how you will die, you must make a statement. If the statement is true, your head will be chopped off. If it is false, you will be strangled.

Once somebody answers this riddle, I will explain why it is relevent.

AlazkanAssassin · Feb 22, 2010, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyhkah

This thread reminds me of the old riddle:

You are going to die. To decide how you will die, you must make a statement. If the statement is true, your head will be chopped off. If it is false, you will be strangled.

Once somebody answers this riddle, I will explain why it is relevant.

That riddle is too easy.

Spoiler:

Willowmound · Feb 22, 2010, 03:12 PM

I'm sure the developers will do with this petition as they do with all of them. Don't strain yourselves.

Earthling · Feb 22, 2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill3000

I sign the petition asking the developers to ignore petitions asking the developers to ignore petitions.

nice one Bill. But yes, I am nominally on board with OP's sentiments. The developers are not going to get advice by sheer numbers/fan petitions like any that would come out of this forum. And I hope modding capabilities still exist but that would do for minor changes based on personal opinions; otherwise I don't think they'll get the major concepts worse than cIV (not saying cIV is bad)

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Willowmound

I'm sure the developers will do with this petition as they do with all of them. Don't strain yourselves.

You're likely correct in your assessment Willowmound. I made this thread more or less for the fun of it.

Camikaze · Feb 22, 2010, 07:01 PM

I largely agree with the sentiment of the OP, but...

I hope that petitions are not ignored. Sure, I don't want the developers to abide by them all, and I don't particularly mind if they don't abide by any, if it conflicts with what they are trying to achieve, but that's different from ignoring the petitions of the community. I would hope that they would take the community's wants into consideration when making the game, even if petitions are not completely accepted and adopted.

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Camikaze

I largely agree with the sentiment of the OP, but...

I hope that petitions are not ignored. Sure, I don't want the developers to abide by them all, and I don't particularly mind if they don't abide by any, if it conflicts with what they are trying to achieve, but that's different from ignoring the petitions of the community. I would hope that they would take the community's wants into consideration when making the game, even if petitions are not completely accepted and adopted.

Your hope is fair enough. I just hope that we get a solid design out of it.

vonSharma · Feb 22, 2010, 08:28 PM

It was public input that made Civ4 in case you weren't around the year before it came out. They took our wishlist to heart. Also the changes they make in patches, they basically steal from what they see works with fans

AlpsStranger · Feb 22, 2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vonSharma

It was public input that made Civ4 in case you weren't around the year before it came out. They took our wishlist to heart. Also the changes they make in patches, they basically steal from what they see works with fans

I seriously doubt that going from "one unit per tile" back to "SoD" would merely be public input. That would be designing by poll. We're talking about a day and night kind of decision that would fundamentally change the way significant parts of the game worked. It would not be appropriate to let an unscientific forum petition decide such an issue.

Izmir Stinger · Feb 23, 2010, 06:32 AM

/signed

Feb 22, 2010, 11:31 AM	#1
AlpsStranger Security breeeeeaaaach! Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,611	Petition asking the developers to ignore petitons My self-defeating petition asks the developers to trust their own judgment. Only they know the big picture they are shooting for. Do not be swayed by even the hugest petitions by people who have yet to play the game. Stay the course! I want to see a truly innovative Civ. Don't be spooked into making Civ4.5.

Feb 22, 2010, 11:33 AM	#2
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Feb 22, 2010, 11:36 AM	#3
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Feb 22, 2010, 11:38 AM	#4
nzk13 Some Jew-boy on Noble. Join Date: May 2009 Location: NY State, USA Posts: 393	I anti-vote this petition. Public opinion is very important for a game (duh). That's the best way for the developers to anticipate sales. __________________ Try out my King Solomon Modular Mod for BtS! http://forums.civfanatics.com/downlo...=file&id=14376 Automated Female Voice: What company would you like to check? Homer Jay Simpson: Animotion. AFV: Up 5 points. Homer Jay Simpson: Yahoo! AFV: Up 72 points. Homer Jay Simpson: What the hell is this crap? AFV: Fox News down 35 points. Last edited by nzk13; Feb 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM. Reason: It was pointed out by MSTK that the offending statement is self-defeating.

Feb 22, 2010, 12:57 PM	#9
Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Quinquagesimusermia Posts: 18,428	I sign the petition asking the developers to ignore petitions asking the developers to ignore petitions. __________________ Bill3000 - Crusader of Reason and Knowledge - Archon of Soloralism - On Hypotheticals [22:25] <Gogf> so I just subtracted 1/2 from 1/3 and got 1/1 [16:18:03] <Gogf> oh so serbs and slavs are different? I thought they were just different names for the same thing [20:27:37] <@Gogf> yeah I should just walk around naked and kill people [21:09:52] <@VRWCAgent> Bill pwns me all the time, but don't let him know I acknowledge that

Feb 22, 2010, 12:24 PM	#8
eireksten Protective/Organized Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 347	Signed! It seems to me that most of the people complaining about game mechanics (which mostly are speculations at this point, btw), see them in the context of Civ 4 or even one the other civ games. Often, it seems, they are principally against anything that deviates from the earlier games. Besides, I trust that the testing team will do a good enough job to make this an entertaining and interesting game. edit: I should mention also, that those of us who like what we've seen/heard from the game might not bother to write as much about it as the rest. That doesn't mean we are fewer.

Feb 22, 2010, 02:27 PM	#11
Voyhkah Political Activist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 1,444 Images: 17	I DO NOT SIGN! I want civ V to be the way I and my fellow civfanatics like it! This thread reminds me of the old riddle: You are going to die. To decide how you will die, you must make a statement. If the statement is true, your head will be chopped off. If it is false, you will be strangled. Once somebody answers this riddle, I will explain why it is relevent. __________________ Think things that I say are funny? That's okay, I didn't think so. But check out my Fake News Blog anyway! "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, has intended us to forgo their use." -Galileo Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. -Eisenhower Civilization IV:is Now Obscenely Complecated! Featuring Resource Stockpiling, Stratigems, Culture Families, Heroes, and more! I have Asperger's Syndrome. If you do too and you're willing to come out, copy and paste this into your sig.

Feb 22, 2010, 03:12 PM	#13
Willowmound Wordbug Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Afloat Posts: 2,219	I'm sure the developers will do with this petition as they do with all of them. Don't strain yourselves. __________________ Still playing Civ IV? Try ActualQuotes -- leaders speak their own actual words

Feb 22, 2010, 07:01 PM	#16
Camikaze Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 17,688	I largely agree with the sentiment of the OP, but... I hope that petitions are not ignored. Sure, I don't want the developers to abide by them all, and I don't particularly mind if they don't abide by any, if it conflicts with what they are trying to achieve, but that's different from ignoring the petitions of the community. I would hope that they would take the community's wants into consideration when making the game, even if petitions are not completely accepted and adopted. __________________ Gods & Kings Introductory Guide

Feb 22, 2010, 08:28 PM	#18
vonSharma Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 28	It was public input that made Civ4 in case you weren't around the year before it came out. They took our wishlist to heart. Also the changes they make in patches, they basically steal from what they see works with fans

Feb 23, 2010, 06:32 AM	#20
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