Who should the English leader be?

[bonafide11]

I assume England will be in Civ V, but we don't know who the leader will be yet. Who do you think it should be?

I think Victoria. Under Victoria, Britain was one of the largest and most powerful empires ever, and she also symbolized late nineteenth century culture outside of just England. England was stronger under her than it was under Elizabeth or Churchill.

[phungus420]

Agree with Victoria, though Elizabeth would be fine as well. Since there is only 1 leader Churchill is decidedly out in my opinion.

[Gamemaster77]

I definitly would want winston churchill.

[Shiggs713]

if we only have one leader per civ it has to be Victoria out of those 3.

[Ahriman]

Eh. Elizabeth was an incredibly important monarch with a great deal of personal power and influence, struggling against titanic enemies.

Victorian Britain was a super-power, but not really because of Victoria, but because of excellent Prime Ministers and generally good government (and free trade) and industrial success. I don't really give Victoria much personal credit for it.

[seasnake]

Originally Posted by Ahriman

Eh. Elizabeth was an incredibly important monarch with a great deal of personal power and influence, struggling against titanic enemies.

Victorian Britain was a super-power, but not really because of Victoria, but because of excellent Prime Ministers and generally good government (and free trade) and industrial success. I don't really give Victoria much personal credit for it.

But the Victorian Age was the height of the British Empire. I still think she's the best choice.

[cybrxkhan]

Originally Posted by seasnake

But the Victorian Age was the height of the British Empire. I still think she's the best choice.

The counter-argument here is that other leaders don't necessarily represent their civilizations' golden ages per se. For example Washington is from the very beginning of American history, not when it ruled the world.

However, I do think Victoria regardless would be the best choice. The British power in the world in the 19th century is quite remarkable... Also I have something of a liking to the Victorian era, so, yeah.

[Oda Nobunaga]

Whereas I have a liking for the time of the Sea-Dogs and all that jazz. So Elizabeth gets my vote.

Also, if the civilization is named the English, then to a certain level, I would prefer a leader from prior to England becoming Great Britain.

[bite]

according to the PC Jeux article, the leader is Elizabeth

[chongli]

Other: Henry VIII

[The Hungry Hun]

Edward III is the man for the job

[Mango Elephant]

Elizabeth or Victoria, I could care less which made the cut as long as it's not Churchill.

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by Ahriman

Victorian Britain was a super-power, but not really because of Victoria, but because of excellent Prime Ministers and generally good government (and free trade) and industrial success. I don't really give Victoria much personal credit for it.

Ah, but she represents the Era in which modern Britain was made, in which Britain became a great civilization. And also, I find that Elizabethan England does not have enough connection to Modern Britain. Victoria and the Era she represents are Britain in a general sense, it is historical and yet determined Modern Britain.

One thing that annoyed me about Civ IV England was the order of the cities after London, the standing of our cities was largely made in the Victorian age and I found it annoying that it seemed to be determined in Civ IV largely by the well known ancient cities like Coventry and York (yes I know I can rename but the default order still reflects on the Civ that has been implemented). The first cities after London should be Birmingham and Manchester. The Civ IV quasi-medieval ordering of the cities also clashed with the Redcoats and Stock Exchange as England's UU and UB, which were Victorian.

[LDiCesare]

Elizabeth will be in. According to French magazine PC Jeux:

The Brittish queen, Elizabeth, will be more prone to exert her dominion over the seas.

Note Cesar, Washington, Bismark, Napoleon are also in.

[tantaluss]

Other; Cromwell

and having victoria as the leader is really stupid, shw was just a figurehead monarch. If you wanted Victorian England you should have Gladstone, Disraeli or Peel. Having Victoria running England is only slightly less ridiculous then having uncle Sam as the American leader.

[bestrfcplayer]

Originally Posted by Gamemaster77

I definitly would want winston churchill.

Same.

10chr

[Senethro]

Originally Posted by Hypernova

Ah, but she represents the Era in which modern Britain was made, in which Britain became a great civilization. And also, I find that Elizabethan England does not have enough connection to Modern Britain. Victoria and the Era she represents are Britain in a general sense, it is historical and yet determined Modern Britain.

One thing that annoyed me about Civ IV England was the order of the cities after London, the standing of our cities was largely made in the Victorian age and I found it annoying that it seemed to be determined in Civ IV largely by the well known ancient cities like Coventry and York (yes I know I can rename but the default order still reflects on the Civ that has been implemented). The first cities after London should be Birmingham and Manchester. The Civ IV quasi-medieval ordering of the cities also clashed with the Redcoats and Stock Exchange as England's UU and UB, which were Victorian.

Thats all pretty trivial bro.

[phungus420]

Good question though, OP. I'm almost convinced enough to change my vote to Elizabeth.

[Louis XXIV]

I'm content with Elizabeth. She reigned when the English monarchy was still fairly strong, her rule brought glory and strength to England, and she was unquestioningly a good reason for her Kingdom's success.

[Schubes]

Other: Charles II (The Merry Monarch). The restored king. Prob best as a Cre/Phi leader. A moderate, who successfully stared down a parliament stacked with religious biggots (at a time when only the aristocracy could vote) and maintained rule without requiring the French army.