Test of Time 1&2

KaesarSosei · Nov 20, 2002, 07:36 AM

Hello,

My first post! I have just started playing Civ2: ToT and am very pleased with it. I was even thinking of getting Civ 3, but then I've noticed a lot of post saying its not as good! Is this true? (I'm going to put this into the Civ3 forum too).

If so, then is there any point in getting ToT2? I think the general consensus is that for single player normal games, ToT is the best (I don't like the extended game into space). I never see any distinction between ToT 1 and 2 though.

What are the main improvements in ToT2?

Zelig · Nov 20, 2002, 09:23 AM

There's no game called TOT2.

KaesarSosei · Nov 21, 2002, 09:51 AM

OK then, I've just realised that I was confusing Call to Power 2 with Test of Time 2 (which doesn't exist obviously).

So what I mean is, is Civ 2 ToT the best way to enjoy Civ2:

I normally play standard games
I don't like the extended game
I don't bother with other people's scenarios

Is there any other version of Civ that would suit these criteria better then?

Thanks

Zelig · Nov 21, 2002, 02:53 PM

Any other version of Civ2 would serve just as well for what you do, although they wouldn't look as graphically advanced.
(some people like them better because of the way they look, though)

Ren · Nov 23, 2002, 09:16 AM

I'd recommend you get Civ 2 MGE (Multiplayer Gold Edition) if possible. It serves everything you need, plus it runs quicker, plus it takes less hard drive, plus heaps more scenarios etc. work on it without modification.

I think there may be a mod tool to convert TOT to MGE, I'm not sure though; I know there is one for converting Original, Fantastic Worlds and Multiplayer England Edition to MGE.

Civ 3 sux, put straight

Ask just about anyone who still visits this Civ 2 section. I didn't like CTP either, didn't bother buying CTP 2.

Zelig · Nov 23, 2002, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ren
I think there may be a mod tool to convert TOT to MGE, I'm not sure though; I know there is one for converting Original, Fantastic Worlds and Multiplayer England Edition to MGE.

Yes, the same one works on TOT, that's what I used.

johnnymiller · Jan 06, 2003, 02:03 PM

How many different types of Civ are there???

I just play my good old version Civ 2:Test of Time and I've not found any reason to go looking for anything else.

Mercator · Jan 06, 2003, 03:55 PM

There's Civ2 "classic" the original release somewhere in 1996, after a while a patch was released, version 2.42, the last patch before the add-ons.

Then came a first add-on called "Civilization II Scenarios: Conflicts in Civilization" (CiC) which added scenarios and some better scenario support.
Then came "Fantastic Worlds" (FW), another add-on which improved scenario support, added scenario editors and more scenarios.

Then came the multiplayer version, available in several incarnations. Either as another add-on, a stand-alone game with multiplayer support (I think, not too sure about this one), or a stand-alone game including all the scenarios of the earlier add-ons as well: "Multiplayer Gold Edition" (MGE) or the "Ultimate Classic Collection" (UCC).

Finally, "Test of Time" (ToT), based on MGE, but with much extended scenario support (much better macro language), multiple maps, new (animated) graphics, and then some.
ToT clearly blows the rest out of the water, except there are two problems:
1. Many people don't like the graphics, this can obviously be ammended using mods, the animated sprites couldn't be changed until recently though. There's a (fairly basic) sprite editor available (see signature).
2. People with ToT are a minority, much more people have MGE (partly thanks to Cedric Greene). As a result the ToT multiplayer community is much smaller (if it exists at all) and there are far fewer scenarios (although there's been an excellent scenario converter available for some time).

Mercator · Jan 06, 2003, 04:03 PM

Oh yes... and then there's Civ1, CivNet (multiplayer Civ1), Civ3, Civilization: Call to Power (1 and 2), Alpha Centauri and numerous open-source projects on the Internet like Clash of Civilizations, FreeCiv and c-Evo.

johnnymiller · Jan 07, 2003, 06:14 AM

Blimey, thats a whole lot of Civ!
Thanks Mercator.

Nov 20, 2002, 07:36 AM	#1
KaesarSosei Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4	Test of Time 1&2 Hello, My first post! I have just started playing Civ2: ToT and am very pleased with it. I was even thinking of getting Civ 3, but then I've noticed a lot of post saying its not as good! Is this true? (I'm going to put this into the Civ3 forum too). If so, then is there any point in getting ToT2? I think the general consensus is that for single player normal games, ToT is the best (I don't like the extended game into space). I never see any distinction between ToT 1 and 2 though. What are the main improvements in ToT2?

Nov 21, 2002, 09:51 AM	#3
KaesarSosei Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4	Best Civ 2 OK then, I've just realised that I was confusing Call to Power 2 with Test of Time 2 (which doesn't exist obviously). So what I mean is, is Civ 2 ToT the best way to enjoy Civ2: I normally play standard games I don't like the extended game I don't bother with other people's scenarios Is there any other version of Civ that would suit these criteria better then? Thanks

Nov 21, 2002, 02:53 PM	#4
Zelig DUKE OF MAGDEBURG, OF BRE Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 10,313	Any other version of Civ2 would serve just as well for what you do, although they wouldn't look as graphically advanced. (some people like them better because of the way they look, though) __________________ Dritarja mbi mjaft pluto, përveç tokës anije rritje shortit duket na e diel drejtuar me vlerë të barabartë me shkrim oh kapur goxha objekt lejojë gravurë shfaqen të tilla humbasin ligjin e përparme me të cilën Distanca moment këndojnë thellë Feed Industrisë Malta song kopsht u bë asia vetë shpresoj dashuroj largët rrokjet takim nuk mund dhomë kënd dëgjoni javën glossary kripë shkroi qese komb ngadalë papritur ndaluar çojë formë qarë ndonjëherë të keqe mbahet trajnimi muaj qeveria prill përpjekje për të mbajtur dublin Xhamajka thotë jordan drejtpërdrejtë puthje përjetë shumë krenar duke notuar game gjuha mund të mbahet brenda makinës oksigjen rezultati vetë orësh shkencës japanese malor qaj Kuba krahas hënës ton trishtuar duhet përgatitur minuta njeriut i përkasin ulem punë tokësore të ushtrisë makinë emocionuese të ngushtë zërin tregojnë as¹

Nov 23, 2002, 09:16 AM	#5
Ren Communist Nazi Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: townsville.qld.au Posts: 2,247	I'd recommend you get Civ 2 MGE (Multiplayer Gold Edition) if possible. It serves everything you need, plus it runs quicker, plus it takes less hard drive, plus heaps more scenarios etc. work on it without modification. I think there may be a mod tool to convert TOT to MGE, I'm not sure though; I know there is one for converting Original, Fantastic Worlds and Multiplayer England Edition to MGE. Civ 3 sux, put straight Ask just about anyone who still visits this Civ 2 section. I didn't like CTP either, didn't bother buying CTP 2. __________________ I only did one thing wrong today ... I got out of bed \| generalren@hotmail.. \| 43361161 \| generalren \| generalren \| Member #2825 \| My First CFC Post \| FOR THE ALLIANCE

Jan 06, 2003, 03:55 PM	#8
Mercator Emperor Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,069	There's Civ2 "classic" the original release somewhere in 1996, after a while a patch was released, version 2.42, the last patch before the add-ons. Then came a first add-on called "Civilization II Scenarios: Conflicts in Civilization" (CiC) which added scenarios and some better scenario support. Then came "Fantastic Worlds" (FW), another add-on which improved scenario support, added scenario editors and more scenarios. Then came the multiplayer version, available in several incarnations. Either as another add-on, a stand-alone game with multiplayer support (I think, not too sure about this one), or a stand-alone game including all the scenarios of the earlier add-ons as well: "Multiplayer Gold Edition" (MGE) or the "Ultimate Classic Collection" (UCC). Finally, "Test of Time" (ToT), based on MGE, but with much extended scenario support (much better macro language), multiple maps, new (animated) graphics, and then some. ToT clearly blows the rest out of the water, except there are two problems: 1. Many people don't like the graphics, this can obviously be ammended using mods, the animated sprites couldn't be changed until recently though. There's a (fairly basic) sprite editor available (see signature). 2. People with ToT are a minority, much more people have MGE (partly thanks to Cedric Greene). As a result the ToT multiplayer community is much smaller (if it exists at all) and there are far fewer scenarios (although there's been an excellent scenario converter available for some time). __________________ Civilization II maps, guides, links, scenarios, patches and utilities

Nov 20, 2002, 09:23 AM	#2
Zelig DUKE OF MAGDEBURG, OF BRE Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 10,313	There's no game called TOT2.

Jan 06, 2003, 02:03 PM	#7
johnnymiller An Englishman in Exile Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nice, France Posts: 68	How many different types of Civ are there??? I just play my good old version Civ 2:Test of Time and I've not found any reason to go looking for anything else.

Jan 06, 2003, 04:03 PM	#9
Mercator Emperor Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,069	Oh yes... and then there's Civ1, CivNet (multiplayer Civ1), Civ3, Civilization: Call to Power (1 and 2), Alpha Centauri and numerous open-source projects on the Internet like Clash of Civilizations, FreeCiv and c-Evo. __________________ Civilization II maps, guides, links, scenarios, patches and utilities

Jan 07, 2003, 06:14 AM	#10
johnnymiller An Englishman in Exile Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nice, France Posts: 68	Blimey, thats a whole lot of Civ! Thanks Mercator.

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