What irritates you most about the AI?

wtiberon · Nov 24, 2002, 10:18 AM

I know the AI has a handicap when it comes to competing against human intelligence but some of this is comical. One thing that annoys me is how a barbarian can "sense" whenever you leave a city unguarded. You could be 20 squares away where there whould be no way they can detect you but it doesn't stop them from moving your way.

Also how AI civs trade among each other. IMHO i think civs should be more hostile to each other in the beginning to give it a more historic feel. There is no way the Romans would have given technology to the Gauls or Germanic tribes.

cymru_man · Nov 24, 2002, 10:45 AM

Yeah, the barbarian thing is very annoying, i agree with you there

Problem with no-one trading techs would be that the game would go at a very slow pace.

Praetorian · Nov 24, 2002, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by cymru_man

Problem with no-one trading techs would be that the game would go at a very slow pace.

I agree, but I think that the spread of knowledge between the AI civ is a bit unrealistic

Karstedt · Nov 24, 2002, 11:26 AM

Yeah, the AI is one big happy family that HATES you at the beggining. At least, thats how it feels.

Dynamic Cow · Nov 24, 2002, 12:15 PM

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At least, thats how it feels.

it does not only feel that way, it IS that way.

cgannon64 · Nov 24, 2002, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Praetorian

I agree, but I think that the spread of knowledge between the AI civ is a bit unrealistic

On medium levels (mainly Monarch) its not bad, and the game still feels realistic. But on Diety, it really is bad. Thats why I like Monarch.

CG

CenturionV · Nov 24, 2002, 01:34 PM

ya it seems like everyones otu to get you even on lower lvls when the ai suddenly attacks you for NO reason just because they think your to powerful

if the real world was like that we would be all dead cuz the US would have nuked russia right as soon as the cold war started.

Civddict · Nov 24, 2002, 01:38 PM

settile this, settle that..settle everything. EVEN their kings in regicide mode are settling South Pole

bige2002 · Nov 24, 2002, 02:09 PM

Exactly, CenturionV. I'm playing second easiest level, tiny map and there are three civs(including my own) left. All civs have MPP and ROP, and I share an island with France. They are gracious, and what do they do? Declare war on me, of course. Greece and I made sure it didn't happen again.

Michael York · Nov 24, 2002, 02:26 PM

I hate the ai's desire-or lack there of- of trading with a human opponent on deity. i must trade five techs and a resource to get 1 equal cost tech. then theyll give it to their ai buddies that cant offer anything for it.

cromagnon · Nov 24, 2002, 02:33 PM

The fact that the AI knows where the Strategic Resources are ahead of time, and plops down a city in the middle of the desert.

It would be better if the Resources were randomly generated at the time of one civ's discovery of the required tech. That way, they wouldn't settle in random places.

Park Ranger · Nov 24, 2002, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Karstedt
Yeah, the AI is one big happy family that HATES you at the beggining. At least, thats how it feels.

Generally for me when it stops feeling that way I up the difficulty of my games.

As for tech, my only suggestion is to trade as much as they do. Tiring when you have to call up several civs every few turns, I know. Worse if you fall behind and have nothing (even resources) to trade with.

Sayounara · Nov 24, 2002, 03:23 PM

WHEN THEY SETTLE WhERE YOU WANT TO SETTLE or when they won't like walk pass their territory to expand your civ.

Arvedui · Nov 24, 2002, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sayounara
WHEN THEY SETTLE WhERE YOU WANT TO SETTLE

I hate that too!

I also used to hate when they kept invading my territory, but now I like it because I see it as a pretext to have some fun and attack them.

Ronald · Nov 24, 2002, 03:47 PM

That the AI allows you to win an OCC!

No human player in a multiplayer game would do that. They always have the possibility to destroy you before you are able to win.

Nevertheless OCC is a fun game to play and thanks to the stupidity of the AI it is possible to win.

Ronald

Sayounara · Nov 24, 2002, 03:52 PM

DIETY LEVEL AL's GET 9 Miltary unites, 2 Workers, And a settler. THEY FINSIsh Adam smith in 13 turns with only 13 sheilds per turn! THey get a communication without paying!

CenturionV · Nov 24, 2002, 04:30 PM

a well guess thats one of the reasons theres military units in the game

it almost feel btter when your beating up on a comp who you atribute human feelings (and evilness) to than when your beating up on one of your friends

Chairman Yang · Nov 24, 2002, 04:53 PM

I would have liked for the AI to have a bit more feeling for strategy and planning, maybe plan a bit more advanced attacks and not just going straight on, weighing advantages and disadvantages against each other.
I also think that the AI leaders are a bit like children; give them a cookie and they smile and say thank you, be bad and they declare war-they should be more deceiving when it would fit their purposes.

Karstedt · Nov 25, 2002, 01:27 AM

I also hate thier complete disregard of your borders, while being so incredibly anal about thiers.

Rammstein · Nov 25, 2002, 03:40 AM

The AI also seems to know exactly where your unguarded cities are and head straight for them when at war.

Nov 24, 2002, 10:18 AM	#1
wtiberon One man who stands alone Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pinehurst NC Posts: 789	What irritates you most about the AI? I know the AI has a handicap when it comes to competing against human intelligence but some of this is comical. One thing that annoys me is how a barbarian can "sense" whenever you leave a city unguarded. You could be 20 squares away where there whould be no way they can detect you but it doesn't stop them from moving your way. Also how AI civs trade among each other. IMHO i think civs should be more hostile to each other in the beginning to give it a more historic feel. There is no way the Romans would have given technology to the Gauls or Germanic tribes. __________________ God and the soldier, we adore In time of danger, not before. The danger past and all things righted, God's forgotten, the soldier slighted. -Ken Hruby

Nov 24, 2002, 01:34 PM	#7
CenturionV Warrior Forever Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 1,993	ya it seems like everyones otu to get you even on lower lvls when the ai suddenly attacks you for NO reason just because they think your to powerful if the real world was like that we would be all dead cuz the US would have nuked russia right as soon as the cold war started. __________________ I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self. -Aristotle "Everybody gotta die sometime red" -Sgt. Barnes

Nov 24, 2002, 01:38 PM	#8
Civddict Prince Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 476	settile this, settle that..settle everything. EVEN their kings in regicide mode are settling South Pole Last edited by Civddict; Nov 24, 2002 at 01:42 PM.

Nov 24, 2002, 02:33 PM	#11
cromagnon Emperor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NY, NY Posts: 1,540	The fact that the AI knows where the Strategic Resources are ahead of time, and plops down a city in the middle of the desert. It would be better if the Resources were randomly generated at the time of one civ's discovery of the required tech. That way, they wouldn't settle in random places. __________________ "Uh...had a slight weapons malfunction. But, uh, everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here...now...thank you. How are you?" Cheers, Cromagnon

Nov 24, 2002, 03:23 PM	#13
Sayounara King Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Eastern Canada Posts: 696	WHEN THEY SETTLE WhERE YOU WANT TO SETTLE or when they won't like walk pass their territory to expand your civ. __________________ ~kimi sae ireba~

Nov 24, 2002, 10:45 AM	#2
cymru_man Prince Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 400	Yeah, the barbarian thing is very annoying, i agree with you there Problem with no-one trading techs would be that the game would go at a very slow pace.

Nov 24, 2002, 11:26 AM	#4
Karstedt Warlord Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 107	Yeah, the AI is one big happy family that HATES you at the beggining. At least, thats how it feels.

Nov 24, 2002, 02:09 PM	#9
bige2002 Finally won on Regent Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 53	Exactly, CenturionV. I'm playing second easiest level, tiny map and there are three civs(including my own) left. All civs have MPP and ROP, and I share an island with France. They are gracious, and what do they do? Declare war on me, of course. Greece and I made sure it didn't happen again.

Nov 24, 2002, 02:26 PM	#10
Michael York On Sabatical from Civ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 484	I hate the ai's desire-or lack there of- of trading with a human opponent on deity. i must trade five techs and a resource to get 1 equal cost tech. then theyll give it to their ai buddies that cant offer anything for it.

Nov 24, 2002, 03:47 PM	#15
Ronald Emperor Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 1,001	That the AI allows you to win an OCC! No human player in a multiplayer game would do that. They always have the possibility to destroy you before you are able to win. Nevertheless OCC is a fun game to play and thanks to the stupidity of the AI it is possible to win. Ronald __________________ Wenn die Sonne der Kultur niedrig steht, werfen selbst Zwerge einen Schatten. Karl Kraus

Nov 24, 2002, 03:52 PM	#16
Sayounara King Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Eastern Canada Posts: 696	DIETY LEVEL AL's GET 9 Miltary unites, 2 Workers, And a settler. THEY FINSIsh Adam smith in 13 turns with only 13 sheilds per turn! THey get a communication without paying! __________________ ~kimi sae ireba~

Nov 24, 2002, 04:30 PM	#17
CenturionV Warrior Forever Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 1,993	a well guess thats one of the reasons theres military units in the game it almost feel btter when your beating up on a comp who you atribute human feelings (and evilness) to than when your beating up on one of your friends __________________ I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies, for the hardest victory is over self. -Aristotle "Everybody gotta die sometime red" -Sgt. Barnes

Nov 24, 2002, 04:53 PM	#18
Chairman Yang Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 580	I would have liked for the AI to have a bit more feeling for strategy and planning, maybe plan a bit more advanced attacks and not just going straight on, weighing advantages and disadvantages against each other. I also think that the AI leaders are a bit like children; give them a cookie and they smile and say thank you, be bad and they declare war-they should be more deceiving when it would fit their purposes.

Nov 25, 2002, 01:27 AM	#19
Karstedt Warlord Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 107	I also hate thier complete disregard of your borders, while being so incredibly anal about thiers.

Nov 25, 2002, 03:40 AM	#20
Rammstein Barely hominid Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 345	The AI also seems to know exactly where your unguarded cities are and head straight for them when at war.

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