A question about Moscow

Omega124 · Aug 19, 2010, 03:11 PM

I was playing the mod for a while when something hit me. If we're only going to have Moscow playable, then why don't we just call it Russia? I know its not that accurate, but if Novograd and the other Russian powers are just indys, then whats the point of just calling it Moscow?

civ_king · Aug 19, 2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega124

I was playing the mod for a while when something hit me. If we're only going to have Moscow playable, then why don't we just call it Russia? I know its not that accurate, but if Novograd and the other Russian powers are just indys, then whats the point of just calling it Moscow?

Kiev is also playable

Duke of Awesome · Aug 19, 2010, 11:52 PM

Kiev would represent the Ukraine wouldnt it?

Morholt · Aug 21, 2010, 02:50 AM

Ukrainian did not become a national identity until much later, the first Russian kingdom was centered on Kiev.

merijn_v1 · Aug 21, 2010, 03:18 AM

You are right. But Duke of Awesome made a mistake. Kiev doesn't represent Ukraine, but the Kievan Rus. That is the same civ as you mentioned in your post.

antostor · Aug 23, 2010, 05:33 PM

We have dynamic country names, don't we? Kiev Rus can be called "Ruthenia" in a later age, while Moscow Rus can be called "Russia".

JEELEN · Aug 29, 2010, 10:41 PM

Ruthenia?

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Originally Posted by merijn_v1

You are right. But Duke of Awesome made a mistake. Kiev doesn't represent Ukraine, but the Kievan Rus. That is the same civ as you mentioned in your post.

Hmmm. Ukrainians might disagree. AFAIK Ukraine claims the so-called Kiev Rus as its predecessor, just as Russia does. And as usual both claims have some pros and cons...

fdgsgds · Sep 02, 2010, 05:35 PM

Well look what Kievan Rus' controlled. It's much of European Russia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...van_Rus_en.jpg

micbic · Sep 02, 2010, 06:21 PM

Just cause they were actually a semi-nomad state at their early years, and when the later years came Mongols came as well

embryodead · Sep 05, 2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JEELEN

Ruthenia?

Ruthenia is more of a geographical term, the state was called Galicia-Volhynia/Halych-Volhynia and would be a good name for resurrected Kievan Rus, although short name Ruthenia isn't that bad: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom...licia-Volhynia

Aug 19, 2010, 03:11 PM	#1
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merijn_v1 Black Belt Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Limbonizië, The Netherlands Posts: 2,656	You are right. But Duke of Awesome made a mistake. Kiev doesn't represent Ukraine, but the Kievan Rus. That is the same civ as you mentioned in your post. __________________ Try now RFCEurope. Support my 2nd UU and 2nd UB modcomp for RFC Dawn of Civilization. For more info, visit http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=454952. I don't like people who don't complete their sente...

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fdgsgds Mustard Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Empire State Posts: 468 Images: 6	Well look what Kievan Rus' controlled. It's much of European Russia. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...van_Rus_en.jpg __________________ Si hoc legere scis, eruditionis habes.

Aug 23, 2010, 05:33 PM	#6
antostor Chieftain Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 16	We have dynamic country names, don't we? Kiev Rus can be called "Ruthenia" in a later age, while Moscow Rus can be called "Russia".

Sep 02, 2010, 06:21 PM	#9
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