Question about relation modificators changing

[Topotoon]

Hello :-)

Could anyone please tell me if there is a way to change AI relation modificators like "You have made an arrogant demand" or "You've declared war on our friend"? I'm currently playing a very long game and i've made several, heh, political errors many turns ago, so now everybody hates me

So, is there a way to configure some XML or Python file maybe to make theese modificators gone? Or make them deteriorating with time at least. I've found a file called CIV4MemoryInfos.xml, but there's no numbers in it - only types declarations.

I'm playing with Rise of Manking mod by the way. Looking forward for some sort of reply ^_^

Sorry for me English btw

[Baldyr]

You should be able to run Python commands for this in the built-in Python console. But firstly you need to enable cheat mode (I think) and open up the actual console - on a standard US keyboard it would be shift + ~. Only then would it make any sense to try to walk you through how to run the commands you need to run.

[Topotoon]

Well, I've opened the console. Found some cheats like increasing unit experience and so on even. Ready to learn something about Python commands

My goal stays the same - somehow to drop down the relations modificators ("you've made an arrogant demand" and "you've declared war on our friend").

Any suggestions please?

[Baldyr]

Yeah, good job getting the console online.

Firstly we need to figure out what players you need to manipulate. Because all players are indexed from zero and up on initialization. If its a scenario you can just count them in the WBS file. Else it gets a bit complicated... (In a non-scenario setup the human player is usually the first player - enumerated zero.)

What you basically need is this line:

gc.getPlayer(eHumanPlayer).AI_changeMemoryCount(eCounterpart, MemoryTypes, iChange)

You substitute the name eHumanPlayer with the index number of the human player. You use the index number of the rival player in place of eCounterpart. The various MemoryTypes are found here - you might get away with just using the enumerated index number (otherwise the syntax is: MemoryTypes.MEMORY_DECLARED_WAR_ON_FRIEND). And iChange is the (positive or negative) integer value that you like to add or subtract.

I haven't tried it myself but this is what I can gather. (The players might be the other way around, however.)

[Topotoon]

Thanks for an advice. Didn't work though

My string in the console was exactly the following:

gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(1, 1, -10)

(i've tried to target the first hypothetical AI player)

Then i've tried this:

gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(1, MemoryTypes.MEMORY_DECLARED_WAR_ON_FRIEND, -10)

and

gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(1, MemoryTypes.MEMORY_DECLARED_WAR_ON_FRIEND, 10)


The answer was always "invalid syntax: command not found".

So... The syntax. Just seems i'm making mistakes somewhere.

I've tried to white just "gc.GetPlayer(0)" - the console haven't found such a command either". As I understand "gc" is a variable of some sort, no? Shouldn't it be declarated then?

[The_J]

Are these exactly the commands you put in?
To note: Uppcase/lowercase matters here.

[Baldyr]

Are you sure about the console? Because there are two of them. One is the Python console and the other is... something else. The Python console states "Python 2.4.1" though.

Other than that, I also get the "command not found" error sometimes. The console isn't perfect so you might have to restart the game, or something...

[G-Max]

I'd be interested in this subject as well. Not just a one-shot Python command, but a permanent alteration of the game rules such that whenever Civ A asks me to declare war on Civ B, I refuse, and I get a -1 relations hit with Civ A, I will also get a +1 relations boost with Civ B ("you refused to help our enemies in wartime").

[Topotoon]

Baldyr, well, it seems i'm not so sure about the console type. Maybe i'm running the wrong one.

Could you please tell the exact way to run the one you're talking about?

By the way, if AI civs loved me more each time I refuse to declare war on them, I would be already a superstar ^_^

[Baldyr]

Originally Posted by Topotoon

Baldyr, well, it seems i'm not so sure about the console type. Maybe i'm running the wrong one.

Could you please tell the exact way to run the one you're talking about?

I believe that the default shortcut to the Python console is shift + ~. But this would only be true for some default keyboard layout. On my Swedish keyboard I need to press shift + ö and if I only happen to press ö (without shift) it opens up the other console.

Look at the prompt of the console you're using. If it doesn't say its Python then its not.

[Topotoon]

Small success: i've managed to run the right (python) console :-)

Now it accepts the command Baldyr posted in the third post in this thread. I've tried several different variants, each time changing the first of the three digits:

gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(1, 1, -10)
gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(4, 1, -10)
gc.getPlayer(0).AI_changeMemoryCount(12, 1, -10)

and so on.

So, i've tried to hit some of my AI opponents to make them change their attitude towards me Each time I entered the command i was looking at the opponents list searching for any changes but it had shown none.

What could be wrong? Maybe I need to restart a game after each command or something?

By the way, what is the way to specify the AI opponent number precisely? I don't quite sure if I'm playing the scenario or not. It's a single player game which you could start by clicking "play now" in main menu. You're entering all the start conditions like the world size, weather and so on and start playing. Is it the scenario mode?

And the last question. It there a way to swiftly check if my commands make any effect on the game at all?

[Baldyr]

My best guess is that you simply have the players in the wrong order, so instead of using the zero player with the getPlayer() method and the opponent with the AI_changeMemoryCount() method - it should probably by the other way around.

gc.getPlayer(1).AI_changeMemoryCount(0, 1, -10)

Because you can't change the attitude of the human player with a mere Python command, now can you? This would be why you aren't seeing any results.

As far as I can gather any such command should alter the game immediately and directly, without the need to restart anything. But there could of course be exceptions to the rule... Maybe wait until the next turn and see if the status has been updated?

[Topotoon]

- I can pull a rabbit out of a hat!
- I can pull a hat out of a rabbit!
- Whoa, i've never seen that before!

It worked, you know Thanks a lot for all the useful comments

...They will love me anyway, har-har-har ))

[Baldyr]

Good to hear it worked!

[Baldyr]

By the way, this is where I found the method you used. Its near impossible to know all these methods by heart so what you do instead is you check the API. The method in question is part of the class CyPlayer - the other methods of this class can be used in the same manner. Meaning that you firstly have to get a CyPlayer instance, and you do this with CyGlobalContext.getPlayer() - gc is short for CyGlobalContext() - its actually a variable referring to an instance of the CyGlobalContext class.

In case you feel like cheating for real...

[Topotoon]

Thanks a lot. I'll study the reference. Maybe I'll need something else except memory modifacators. I'm not a big cheater though

[G-Max]

So, regarding that "you refused to help our enemies in wartime" bit that I inquired about...

[Baldyr]

Originally Posted by G-Max

So, regarding that "you refused to help our enemies in wartime" bit that I inquired about...

I don't think you can do this with Python, at least. Because you pretty much need a game event to trigger any Python code. And not declaring war is really an non-event.

So it would have to be added in the SDK then, I think. And I don't really have a handle on that myself...

[G-Max]

So I should ask embryodead?

[Baldyr]

Originally Posted by G-Max

So I should ask embryodead?

Probably.