hello. most current version? and stuff.

brxbrx · Jan 26, 2011, 05:30 PM

Hi. I love Fall from Heaven. It's brilliant. It's addictive. I play it so much, it's unbelievable how freaking awesome it is.

But I've been wondering, from the game and the civilopedia, do I have the most current version of the game? It seems a bit unpolished (but still quite excellent! One of the best games I've ever played!), with the civilopedia lacking entries (such as that of the Azer), and some stats seem off. Also, there are references to mechanics that are missing in the game (what comes to mind now are council resolutions mentioned but not present). And, the FfH wiki mentions something about Balseraph gypsy caravans. I don't see those, either.
I believe I have version .40
Is that the last one?

And will there be more to come? I read on the forum that Kael now works for Stardock, and I realize that this is a mod, made by volunteers that likely have jobs and families to tend to, but... I'm greedy for more! Any hope of continuing improvements?

Finally: where can I get my hands on FfH lore? I found the Erebus bestiary, but is there more? I'm engrossed! I checked the lore forums, but it's rather chaotic and hard to sift through. I'm particularly fascinated with Ceridwen.

thanks!

Valkrionn · Jan 26, 2011, 06:42 PM

I don't think FfH itself is likely to be updated further; It's been several months now since the last update.

Two of the modmods, Rise from Erebus and Master of Mana, are actively developed however.

Breunor · Jan 26, 2011, 06:45 PM

You are actually using a VERY old version. Latest is 0.41, patch version o. You can find these from the first page on the bug forum, amopng other palces:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=308020

There have been quite a lot of changes since then.

It is unlikely thatt here will be further development. When Kael left he tried to fix the most dominant/problematic bugs but more development or even bug fixes on the main mod is unlikely.

However, there are a lot of modmods that people like both for their features and also as a change of pace. Some of these are still in development, some aren't.

Best wishes,

Breunor

brxbrx · Jan 26, 2011, 06:47 PM

thx guys

and as far as lore?

Valkrionn · Jan 26, 2011, 06:53 PM

For Lore, all I could say is check the lore forum.

Good threads to start with:

Lore Compendium - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=272917
Tales from Erebus (Modmod Lore Compendium) - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=334470
Grand Unified Story Thread - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=350954

Tielby · Jan 27, 2011, 01:37 PM

I think some of the previous posters have been avoiding promoting any particular "modmod", but I would like to mention that Tholal's More Naval AI modmod has some much-needed bug fixes that patch O lacks, and at the same time doesn't fiddle with any of the FfH lore (e.g. by introducing new civs or mechanics).

Nothing's been posted in a long while, but I thought I'd ask, has anybody taken up xienwolf's mantle to update the FfH 2 Manual? Has all of that information been moved to the FfH Wiki now, and then gaps filled in? Doesn't seem to be, but I'm still hoping.

Irgy · Jan 27, 2011, 03:37 PM

Neither the manual nor the wiki seem to be quite up to date, but the manual seems to be closer. I'd volunteer to update the manual myself if I knew how, but it's a bit awkward to try and edit the PDF directly, especially since I just have the pdf reader and don't own a copy of adobe whateveritisthatletsyoueditstuff. Does anyone know if there's a source file for it in some other format?

Valkrionn · Jan 27, 2011, 03:38 PM

That's a very good point, and I need to start remembering to mention his.

Both MoM and RifE add a lot of new content; Tholal's mod tends to stick to improving the AI and fixing bugs, without adding content.

Nor'easter · Jan 27, 2011, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx

thx guys

and as far as lore?

There's actually a lot of stuff in the civilopedia, if you read the entries for the various heroes and leaders. A long time ago I went through the whole text file to clean it up; that meant that I ended up reading every 'pedia entry -- some really good stuff in there.

Tasunke · Jan 27, 2011, 11:17 PM

I agree that Tholal's More Naval AI mod is a good place to start ...

I'll also plug that I'm working on a mod-mod of my own that's far less of a game changer than MoM or Rife

Derf · Jan 28, 2011, 04:49 AM

I'm not sure about editing, but I do believe OpenOffice and it's sucessor LibreOffice come with PDF creating functionality. I think editing them is reserved for documents created by them, but I haven't experimented with it yet.

brxbrx · Jan 30, 2011, 05:12 PM

Hi. I'm going to hijack my own thread to ask this question:

Was anyone else disappointed with Auric Ascended?

Yeah, he's got 60 strength, that's pretty amazing, but he becomes vulnerable pretty quickly, too.
He can only attack a city once before he's wiped.
If he could get promotions, especially march, that would make him far more viable. As it is, he's only good for spamming that snow spell. I must say, though, that his version of it is pretty sweet. But not sweet enough for a god!

Valkrionn · Jan 30, 2011, 05:15 PM

He's far far stronger in RifE.

brxbrx · Jan 30, 2011, 05:27 PM

RifE?

Valkrionn · Jan 30, 2011, 06:00 PM

Rise from Erebus; An FfH modmod, one of the larger ones. Link is in my sig.

You can check his stats here: http://greyfox.me/rife/wiki/index.ph...Auric_Ascended

One thing to consider is he's harder to attain. You receive an Auric Ulvin unit at game start, and must keep him alive in order to ascend.

brxbrx · Jan 30, 2011, 06:19 PM

do I need to install the patch as well as the main thingie?

wo. I seen his stats on the wiki. looking hella good.

Valkrionn · Jan 30, 2011, 06:29 PM

Patch would have to be installed as well as the main download. Neither rely on FfH at all.

brxbrx · Jan 30, 2011, 06:32 PM

thanks a lot, man,

it looks like I'm going to be having some fun!

Tasunke · Jan 30, 2011, 09:20 PM

I will say that it's kinda hard for me to Balance the Zombie appocalypse :P

not sure if it'll make it to the final version, but its a cool concept imho.

Breunor · Jan 30, 2011, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brxbrx

Hi. I'm going to hijack my own thread to ask this question:

Was anyone else disappointed with Auric Ascended?

Yeah, he's got 60 strength, that's pretty amazing, but he becomes vulnerable pretty quickly, too.
He can only attack a city once before he's wiped.
If he could get promotions, especially march, that would make him far more viable. As it is, he's only good for spamming that snow spell. I must say, though, that his version of it is pretty sweet. But not sweet enough for a god!

Oh, I don't know. You put Auric with the Priests of Winter, have the PoW's attack first, then have Auric cast it, they wipe out ANYTHING! Play on diety, and those four units have wiped out 600 units at once for me! I'd say that is pretty awesome .....

Best wishes,

Breunor

Jan 26, 2011, 05:30 PM	#1
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	hello. most current version? and stuff. Hi. I love Fall from Heaven. It's brilliant. It's addictive. I play it so much, it's unbelievable how freaking awesome it is. But I've been wondering, from the game and the civilopedia, do I have the most current version of the game? It seems a bit unpolished (but still quite excellent! One of the best games I've ever played!), with the civilopedia lacking entries (such as that of the Azer), and some stats seem off. Also, there are references to mechanics that are missing in the game (what comes to mind now are council resolutions mentioned but not present). And, the FfH wiki mentions something about Balseraph gypsy caravans. I don't see those, either. I believe I have version .40 Is that the last one? And will there be more to come? I read on the forum that Kael now works for Stardock, and I realize that this is a mod, made by volunteers that likely have jobs and families to tend to, but... I'm greedy for more! Any hope of continuing improvements? Finally: where can I get my hands on FfH lore? I found the Erebus bestiary, but is there more? I'm engrossed! I checked the lore forums, but it's rather chaotic and hard to sift through. I'm particularly fascinated with Ceridwen. thanks!

Jan 26, 2011, 06:42 PM	#2
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	I don't think FfH itself is likely to be updated further; It's been several months now since the last update. Two of the modmods, Rise from Erebus and Master of Mana, are actively developed however. __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 26, 2011, 06:53 PM	#5
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	For Lore, all I could say is check the lore forum. Good threads to start with: Lore Compendium - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=272917 Tales from Erebus (Modmod Lore Compendium) - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=334470 Grand Unified Story Thread - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=350954 __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 27, 2011, 01:37 PM	#6
Tielby Warlord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The sacred and free citadel of mind Posts: 243	I think some of the previous posters have been avoiding promoting any particular "modmod", but I would like to mention that Tholal's More Naval AI modmod has some much-needed bug fixes that patch O lacks, and at the same time doesn't fiddle with any of the FfH lore (e.g. by introducing new civs or mechanics). Nothing's been posted in a long while, but I thought I'd ask, has anybody taken up xienwolf's mantle to update the FfH 2 Manual? Has all of that information been moved to the FfH Wiki now, and then gaps filled in? Doesn't seem to be, but I'm still hoping. __________________ "Have we not darken’d and dazed ourselves with books long enough? Sail forth — steer for the deep waters only, Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me, For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go, And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all." Walt Whitman (from A Passage to India) Last edited by Tielby; Jan 27, 2011 at 01:52 PM.

Jan 27, 2011, 03:37 PM	#7
Irgy Emperor Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,406	Neither the manual nor the wiki seem to be quite up to date, but the manual seems to be closer. I'd volunteer to update the manual myself if I knew how, but it's a bit awkward to try and edit the PDF directly, especially since I just have the pdf reader and don't own a copy of adobe whateveritisthatletsyoueditstuff. Does anyone know if there's a source file for it in some other format? __________________ Learning from Self Play: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=363781

Jan 26, 2011, 06:45 PM	#3
Breunor Deity Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 2,386	You are actually using a VERY old version. Latest is 0.41, patch version o. You can find these from the first page on the bug forum, amopng other palces: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=308020 There have been quite a lot of changes since then. It is unlikely thatt here will be further development. When Kael left he tried to fix the most dominant/problematic bugs but more development or even bug fixes on the main mod is unlikely. However, there are a lot of modmods that people like both for their features and also as a change of pace. Some of these are still in development, some aren't. Best wishes, Breunor

Jan 26, 2011, 06:47 PM	#4
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	thx guys and as far as lore?

Jan 27, 2011, 03:38 PM	#8
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	That's a very good point, and I need to start remembering to mention his. Both MoM and RifE add a lot of new content; Tholal's mod tends to stick to improving the AI and fixing bugs, without adding content. __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 27, 2011, 11:17 PM	#10
Tasunke Crazy Horse Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: the 1800s Posts: 2,541	I agree that Tholal's More Naval AI mod is a good place to start ... I'll also plug that I'm working on a mod-mod of my own that's far less of a game changer than MoM or Rife __________________ "If big companies weren't throwing all their toxic wastes into our Internet's waters and illegally depleting our fish stocks, maybe online piracy wouldn't happen."->by Virote Considon

Jan 28, 2011, 04:49 AM	#11
Derf Prince Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: UK Posts: 437 Images: 2	I'm not sure about editing, but I do believe OpenOffice and it's sucessor LibreOffice come with PDF creating functionality. I think editing them is reserved for documents created by them, but I haven't experimented with it yet. __________________ For Civ3: New Sea Cities, Mind Worms, Alpha Centauri Goodyhuts, Thermal Borehole Mine Replacement, AC Airfields and Radar replacement, Alpha Centauri C (map), Alpha Centauri Animation Veiwer For Civ4: Hunter Promotion My Rise from Erebus Modules - all found here He is an embittered mistheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in the gods and their agendas as personally dislike them. -- Interviewers notes penned on Carrow's Application for Citizenship.

Jan 30, 2011, 05:12 PM	#12
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	Hi. I'm going to hijack my own thread to ask this question: Was anyone else disappointed with Auric Ascended? Yeah, he's got 60 strength, that's pretty amazing, but he becomes vulnerable pretty quickly, too. He can only attack a city once before he's wiped. If he could get promotions, especially march, that would make him far more viable. As it is, he's only good for spamming that snow spell. I must say, though, that his version of it is pretty sweet. But not sweet enough for a god!

Jan 30, 2011, 05:15 PM	#13
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	He's far far stronger in RifE. __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 30, 2011, 05:27 PM	#14
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	RifE?

Jan 30, 2011, 06:00 PM	#15
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	Rise from Erebus; An FfH modmod, one of the larger ones. Link is in my sig. You can check his stats here: http://greyfox.me/rife/wiki/index.ph...Auric_Ascended One thing to consider is he's harder to attain. You receive an Auric Ulvin unit at game start, and must keep him alive in order to ascend. __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 30, 2011, 06:19 PM	#16
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	do I need to install the patch as well as the main thingie? wo. I seen his stats on the wiki. looking hella good. Last edited by brxbrx; Jan 30, 2011 at 06:20 PM. Reason: update

Jan 30, 2011, 06:29 PM	#17
Valkrionn The Hamster King Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestview FL Posts: 14,448	Patch would have to be installed as well as the main download. Neither rely on FfH at all. __________________ Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* - Civ5 Economy Mod Member of the *R i f E* team Inno Install Script Tutorial

Jan 30, 2011, 06:32 PM	#18
brxbrx Worthless loser Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 174	thanks a lot, man, it looks like I'm going to be having some fun!

Jan 30, 2011, 09:20 PM	#19
Tasunke Crazy Horse Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: the 1800s Posts: 2,541	I will say that it's kinda hard for me to Balance the Zombie appocalypse :P not sure if it'll make it to the final version, but its a cool concept imho. __________________ "If big companies weren't throwing all their toxic wastes into our Internet's waters and illegally depleting our fish stocks, maybe online piracy wouldn't happen."->by Virote Considon

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