New DLC: Polynesia

[Zyxpsilon]

Originally Posted by Jim Bro

Vive la Bretagne et le Quebec libre!

Translation;
Long Live Bretagne and Free Québec!

Do you want a proper Civ for the Sovereignist Party (Lévesque, Duceppe, Bouchard, Landry, Marois, etc as Leaders) or what?
We're talking Future & Referendum results here even if *THE* 95 attempt was -to be honest- loaded with strange anomalies such as the Gomery Sponsorship_Scandal, rejected ballots or the extremely tight votes re_counting that lead to 50.6% against 49.4% with a participation ratio of around 94%+ for the most accurate democratic result ever recorded in history worldwide(!!), ya know!

This thread is for Polynesia, btw.

[Zyxpsilon]

Originally Posted by Kiwi_Az

Heres a couple of reasons why The Polynesians are an important civilization and important part of History.....

1... They possessed such a sophisticated knowledge of navagation, that westerners only surpassed it within the past 100 years.

2... They discovered the Americas before European, yes far before the Vikings or even the Irish in the 4th Century B.C

3. The Maoris Invented trench Warefare, which the English learnt and used in WWI and WWII.

4. There is evidence that the Polynesians were in contact with South East Asia and South America. Back in 1000AD. Also questionably contact with Egypt too.

And all of these are *PROVEN* facts by a number of incredibly unknown artifacts (Maya's Dresden Codex, for just one!) that were effectively censored by & through the European Invasions from at least three major Medieval countries.

Forget your silly Genome markers and what else, get to the Palenque site or the Phillipines islands while making a necessary pit-stop on the Clovis hypothesis and you'll barely skim the surface of evidence.

Tora, Bora, Tora! Kanji glyphs & Aztec ceremonials included.

[Supr49er]

I am glad to see a brand new civilization in the series. I might even buy the DLC and play as the Polynesians. The scenario sounds fun too.

[Snoopaloop]

Uninteresting civ...gameplay-wise...I wouldn't spend a penny on downloading them.

If the -10% for the UU does not stack..what is the difference between the enemy getting -10% and you getting an ordinary +10%?

[Louis XXIV]

It protects other units besides the Maori, no?

[Valkrionn]

Originally Posted by Louis XXIV

It protects other units besides the Maori, no?

Precisely. That's the one benefit of a combat nerf to the enemy, rather than a combat buff to yourself.

[Pouakai]

And it will stack with a Great General - sort of.

[nokmirt]

I enjoyed the scenario. I did get a little frustrated because most islands that had more than 3 hexes had no luxury resources hardly, except for pearls (which all the AI civs had) and one dye I found on New Zealand. In the game I had no extra luxuries to sell which kept me from investing in cultured city states. Nevertheless I went on to the end and was barely defeated on king. I hope next time I get lucky and find some extra luxuries to sell, that might make the difference between winning and losing. In any case, the scenario is great fun.

[magnus333]

I think there are only 4 luxuries in the whole scenario. Meaning that city and population management is something you really have to watch. Lots of early scouts help a lot with finding the few there are.

[Thalassicus]

Originally Posted by Valkrionn

Precisely. That's the one benefit of a combat nerf to the enemy, rather than a combat buff to yourself.

In addition to that it has a bigger impact the better your units are, and vice versa with the enemy's units.

If your units have +100% bonuses from promotions then +10% on top would be insignificant. Conversely, if enemy units have few combat bonuses this has a very large effect.

[Zyxpsilon]

Originally Posted by nokmirt

...and one dye I found on New Zealand.

Founding a city there and spawning Moais in some optimal patterns is almost an absolute must on both the Pacific & random maps... plus, you'll need to be very aggressive before AIs get near to their last 4-5 SPs if you are a single SP behind any of them.
Keep track of Barbs & CS, the cultural points you'll get from WAR are also necessary.

A least, that's how i managed to win in Paradise Found more often than not so far.

[diggerjohn111]

As a Canadian, I would stop playing Civ if they properly added Quebec as more than a hack mod. One of their techs should be "Get free money from Ottawa, and ban English". As for Polynesia. I just played my first game with them, it rocked! Incas for the first time tomorrow.

[NubianMercenary]

I am Polynesian and am happy to finally see some sort of representation of my Ethnicity in a Civilization release.

Some points though from me personally as a Polynesian:

a.) Tis' a tad silly, since Polynesia is more of a collection of distant 'cousin' Civs rather than one united Civ as is being portrayed in the DLC release preview. Melanesian, Micronesian Civ next maybe? :/

b.) Would make more sense to hone in on one Polynesian Civ which people would best recognize as being the most suitable 'face' of Polynesia. i.e. "When I think of Polynesia I think of...." [Hawaii/New Zealand/Samoa]?

c.) The implementation of Maori Warriors, under the LH of a Hawaiian King offends a lot of my friends whom are Maori themselves.

But meh, long live CiV

[Toulouse]

I can't believe they're still pumping out DLC at full price for this turd. I have an idea 2K -- make the rest of your DLC downloadable for free and move on to Civ VI or something else.

Yours truly,

Another disappointed paying customer

[NukeEm]

Originally Posted by diggerjohn111

As a Canadian, I would stop playing Civ if they properly added Quebec as more than a hack mod. One of their techs should be "Get free money from Ottawa, and ban English". As for Polynesia. I just played my first game with them, it rocked! Incas for the first time tomorrow.

I kinda lol'd at this (I'm from Montreal,Quebec), they would meet the criteria for a Civilization (the culture is indeed unique, whether I agree with their politics or not.. they do have a culture unlike anything in North America) Also I live in Quebec, as someone who speaks english full time.. and I can tell you there was a time there was hostility... but today.. it's different... most francophones are just nice folks and they usually make an effort to speak english.So.. just saying my experience is a little different.

Did a google define on Civilization:
# a society in an advanced state of social development (e.g., with complex legal and political and religious organizations); "the people slowly progressed from barbarism to civilization"
# culture: a particular society at a particular time and place; "early Mayan civilization"
# refinement: the quality of excellence in thought and manners and taste; "a man of intellectual refinement"; "he is remembered for his generosity and civilization"

Now these seem broad... but that's kinda the point... I like it that way. It means less nit picking on what is and is not a Civ and focus more on giving players options to play as what they want.. whether it's America, Canada, Quebec, Iroquois, Irish, Iranian... you get the idea.

However I would just rather see a nice DLC that would "bundle" a bunch of "modern" Civs for some flavor. Say... Canada, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North and South Korea.. just more "civs" that had a modern flavor. One of my fave mods in Civ 3 was one that did nothing more than modernize all the names of the Civs... Just a thought.

[Valkrionn]

Originally Posted by NubianMercenary

I am Polynesian and am happy to finally see some sort of representation of my Ethnicity in a Civilization release.

Some points though from me personally as a Polynesian:

a.) Tis' a tad silly, since Polynesia is more of a collection of distant 'cousin' Civs rather than one united Civ as is being portrayed in the DLC release preview. Melanesian, Micronesian Civ next maybe? :/

b.) Would make more sense to hone in on one Polynesian Civ which people would best recognize as being the most suitable 'face' of Polynesia. i.e. "When I think of Polynesia I think of...." [Hawaii/New Zealand/Samoa]?

c.) The implementation of Maori Warriors, under the LH of a Hawaiian King offends a lot of my friends whom are Maori themselves.

But meh, long live CiV

Yes, they were never united. However, that sort of portrayal existed for a long time amongst the Celts (who were honestly even more fractured, at their widest extant), and there are broad similarities from one Polynesian culture to the next.

Honing in on one is difficult... At least partially due to a lack of city names. Don't want to make those up, IMO, as that would also upset people. They opted to hone in on three; Hawaii, New Zealand, Rapa Nui. Which, typically, would be the three most thought of by Americans.

Do you mean the actual stats of the unit, or the fact that it's under a Hawaiian king?

[Drawmeus]

Originally Posted by NubianMercenary

I am Polynesian and am happy to finally see some sort of representation of my Ethnicity in a Civilization release.

Some points though from me personally as a Polynesian:

a.) Tis' a tad silly, since Polynesia is more of a collection of distant 'cousin' Civs rather than one united Civ as is being portrayed in the DLC release preview. Melanesian, Micronesian Civ next maybe? :/

b.) Would make more sense to hone in on one Polynesian Civ which people would best recognize as being the most suitable 'face' of Polynesia. i.e. "When I think of Polynesia I think of...." [Hawaii/New Zealand/Samoa]?

c.) The implementation of Maori Warriors, under the LH of a Hawaiian King offends a lot of my friends whom are Maori themselves.

But meh, long live CiV

I would love to hear you elaborate on (c). I live in New England, so it's a viewpoint I'm rarely exposed to.

I'm also offended by the implementation of the Maori Warrior, but only because it's so mechanically boring... total waste of a UU. Their UA and UI are both game-changers, so it works on a whole, but the UU... bleh.

[Michl2602]

Originally Posted by Drawmeus

I would love to hear you elaborate on (c). I live in New England, so it's a viewpoint I'm rarely exposed to.

I'm also offended by the implementation of the Maori Warrior, but only because it's so mechanically boring... total waste of a UU. Their UA and UI are both game-changers, so it works on a whole, but the UU... bleh.

The UU should be stronger (like eg. Greek Hoplit, strength 9, available at Bronze Working) and be in the upgrade path of the Warrior (Warrior --> Maori-Warrior --> Swordsmen should be possible, with Orientation being kept).

Another idea would be, that it stays at the strength of a normal warrior, but can go berserk under certain circumstances (with strength 9 at berserk). But I have no exact idea what to implement here.

PS.: Play the szenario. There you have some techs to develop, but then you have Maori-warriors with strength 12.

[Zyxpsilon]

Originally Posted by diggerjohn111

As a Canadian, I would stop playing Civ if they properly added Quebec as more than a hack mod. One of their techs should be "Get free money from Ottawa, and ban English". As for Polynesia. I just played my first game with them, it rocked! Incas for the first time tomorrow.

Are you ever in for a ride... our common country is Bilingual by Law and about 450+ years worth of colonial history prove that Québec (be it a region, an independent or a Province, btw) invested as much if not *hugely* more than New-Brunswick, NovaScotia & Ontario together both in work and in agricultural development.
We're as proud of our specific French cultural heritage as anyone else in this Nation... and give the exact same Liberty (of expression & association) to all Immigrants & the First Nations people.
Québecor, Bombardier, Cirque Du Soleil are just three of many monumental contributions that Québec citizens have made and are still making to the Federalism principles within a society that requires steady flows of Goods & Services & Taxes from and inbetween all aspects of population.
Want some LG2_Hydro megawatts, btw?

Being provoked into reaction is one thing... stating the truth another.
Keep the ON driven insults for the BlueJays, since the Maple Leafs probably won't make the NHL playoffs while Vancouver or Calgary are currently heading for an elimination series matchout against Team & Price (rather than Halak, this time!) in Montréal (The Mecca of Hockey, in fact!) along with the Go-HABS-Go fans from QC.
One has to only remember what we did in Washington & Pittsburgh last year! Philadelphia lost the Cup to Chicago, btw.

Yep, it's all about Sports & Games in this democratic Economy.

Again (moderators) - i was lured away off-topic.

[aatami]

Originally Posted by NubianMercenary

I am Polynesian and am happy to finally see some sort of representation of my Ethnicity in a Civilization release.

Some points though from me personally as a Polynesian:

a.) Tis' a tad silly, since Polynesia is more of a collection of distant 'cousin' Civs rather than one united Civ as is being portrayed in the DLC release preview. Melanesian, Micronesian Civ next maybe? :/

b.) Would make more sense to hone in on one Polynesian Civ which people would best recognize as being the most suitable 'face' of Polynesia. i.e. "When I think of Polynesia I think of...." [Hawaii/New Zealand/Samoa]?

c.) The implementation of Maori Warriors, under the LH of a Hawaiian King offends a lot of my friends whom are Maori themselves.

But meh, long live CiV

I agree with you in a way. But hey, I'm not complaining that it's offending/silly/stupid that they didn't split the Iroquois into all the different tribes since I'm partly Mingo Iroquois.
I'm just happy the Iroquois where even included.