Unit Request: Future Marine

Kal-el · Jan 13, 2003, 01:59 PM

I think it is safe to say that Womoks is not coming back to us. He teased us with his potential and then drifted off into the mist.

He will remain a legendary figure, "the one who almost was".

Ah well, he did leave us with some very nice previews and I for one would hate to see them wasted. I would love to see some of the other talented artists out there take up where he left off. Using his previews as examples creating their own models and running with the projects.

For one I would like to see this Future Marine Unit created.

It is very similar to the new Objective Force Soldier that the US is working on for deployment in 2010 and in game could be a precursor to Balou's Shock Trooper and Blue-O's Power Armor.

It would be a nice stepping stone from the Modern Infantry to those More futuristic units.

Check out this thread for more details on the Objective Force Warrior.

Kal-el · Jan 13, 2003, 02:04 PM

Some Images of the OFW for Comparison:

sween32 · Jan 13, 2003, 02:15 PM

i would love to see this done, as my scenario is from 1800 to 2050, and i need more reality based future units.

Redking · Jan 13, 2003, 02:20 PM

Armored Shock Infantry qualify here???

Civanator · Jan 13, 2003, 02:22 PM

not as much. That is too far into the future. Good suggestion though.

gael · Jan 13, 2003, 03:02 PM

Have you seen the Machinegunner by screenstorm on the last page of the units library.

Its maybe a bit too futuristic for what you are looking for aswell.

Kal-el · Jan 13, 2003, 03:09 PM

As you will note in the first post I suggest this unit as a precursor to the Balou's Shock Trooper which in turn could be a precursor to the Blue-O's Power Armor unit.

The Gun Powder Infantry Unit Progression could be something like this:
Arquebusier:

Musketman:

Line Infantry:

Rifleman:

Trencher:

Infantry:

Grunt:

Modern Inantry:

Edit:That Machine Gunner looks like he should fall somewhere between the Objective Force Warrior and the Armored Shock Trooper.

Redking · Jan 13, 2003, 07:28 PM

illuminating.

Kal-el · Jan 13, 2003, 07:30 PM

Future Infantry Units:
Objective Force Warrior:

Armored Infantry:

Armored Shock Trooper:

Power Armored Infantry:

Mobile Infantry:

Grey Fox · Jan 13, 2003, 07:32 PM

Kal-El, would all the units in the progression of infantry have a higher Defensive value?

Kal-el · Jan 13, 2003, 07:48 PM

You mean the way that the original Rifleman, Infantry, etc. have higher defense than attack?

I guess that is up to the individual modders out there. In DyP I have followed that general trend from the original game, until I get to Grunts who have equal Attack and Defend.

Marines are special Infantry units and therefore do not follow the same pattern, they get a higher attack.

I also changed the American UU from the useless F-15 to a variant of the Paratrooper. I call them the Airborne Ranger. They get equal attack and defend ratings.

Then there are the Spec Ops boys who have a defense rating equal to the Paratroopers, but are more impressive than the Marine and Airborne troops on Offense.

Above all these are the Mobile Infantry, these guys are top of the line, even better than Modern Armor, as you would expect as they are definitely beyond the next generation Units. These mean nasties have an Attack only slightly weaker than the Modern Armor, but have a better defense and are faster, not only that but they can do things that Modern Armor can not, Paradrop, All Terrain as Roads, and Amphibious. I am currently using the Powered Armor animation but would love to see someone take up the challenge of creating a 3D model of my Mobile Infantry drawing.

I have not included Trenchers, Objective Force Warriors, Armored Infantry, Armored Shock Infantry or Power Armored Infantry in DyP cuz I haven't figured out how to fit them all in, but for a mod like Sween's, you should be able to fit them all in there.

Hmmm, having put that list together I am tempted to reconfigure my tech tree in order to get more of those units involved.

Syrus_Knife · Jan 13, 2003, 09:12 PM

Make the Halo dude, 'Master Chief'

Kal-el · Jan 14, 2003, 12:23 PM

Sebsage, what are you talking about?

Grey Fox · Jan 14, 2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kal-el
Sebsage, what are you talking about?

He means this guy:

http://halo.bungie.org/screenshots/msxbox.031301/h5.jpg

Which is Master Chief, a Genetically improved human/cyborg and the main character of the game Halo.

Kal-el · Jan 14, 2003, 12:57 PM

Ah, thanks. Sometimes I don't know where he is coming from.

utahjazz7 · Jan 14, 2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kal-el
Ah, thanks. Sometimes I don't know where he is coming from.

UCLA, remember.

Kal-el · Jan 14, 2003, 01:22 PM

LOL

GrandAdmiral · Jan 14, 2003, 03:03 PM

Actually thats the first good idea I have heard from him. The Halo guys are actually future marines and that game is great. It would make a good future infantry unit.

Kal-el · Jan 14, 2003, 03:42 PM

That is a good idea actually. Where do you think they fit in the upgrade chain?

GrandAdmiral · Jan 14, 2003, 09:18 PM

Before Power Armor. He's got a suit with sheilds but his weapons aren't as advanced as Power Armor and he can't fly.

Jan 13, 2003, 01:59 PM	#1
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	Unit Request: Future Marine I think it is safe to say that Womoks is not coming back to us. He teased us with his potential and then drifted off into the mist. He will remain a legendary figure, "the one who almost was". Ah well, he did leave us with some very nice previews and I for one would hate to see them wasted. I would love to see some of the other talented artists out there take up where he left off. Using his previews as examples creating their own models and running with the projects. For one I would like to see this Future Marine Unit created. It is very similar to the new Objective Force Soldier that the US is working on for deployment in 2010 and in game could be a precursor to Balou's Shock Trooper and Blue-O's Power Armor. It would be a nice stepping stone from the Modern Infantry to those More futuristic units. Check out this thread for more details on the Objective Force Warrior. __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 13, 2003, 02:04 PM	#2
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	Some Images of the OFW for Comparison: __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 13, 2003, 02:15 PM	#3
sween32 The Worthless Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 3,460	i would love to see this done, as my scenario is from 1800 to 2050, and i need more reality based future units. __________________ The funk, the whole funk, nothing but the funk.

Jan 13, 2003, 02:20 PM	#4
Redking Prince Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where all roads lead to Posts: 383	Doesn't Baloo's... Armored Shock Infantry qualify here??? __________________ What John Keegan said.

Jan 13, 2003, 02:22 PM	#5
Civanator Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gone Posts: 2,902	not as much. That is too far into the future. Good suggestion though. __________________ Civ III:How To: Upgrade regular units to UU's!

Jan 13, 2003, 03:02 PM	#6
gael Ard Ri Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,394	Have you seen the Machinegunner by screenstorm on the last page of the units library. Its maybe a bit too futuristic for what you are looking for aswell. __________________ When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. 3D Euro leaderheads with pdescobar. [Suraman LOTR leaderhead: Animated.

Jan 13, 2003, 03:09 PM	#7
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	As you will note in the first post I suggest this unit as a precursor to the Balou's Shock Trooper which in turn could be a precursor to the Blue-O's Power Armor unit. The Gun Powder Infantry Unit Progression could be something like this: Arquebusier: Musketman: Line Infantry: Rifleman: Trencher: Infantry: Grunt: Modern Inantry: Edit:That Machine Gunner looks like he should fall somewhere between the Objective Force Warrior and the Armored Shock Trooper. __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta Last edited by Kal-el; Jan 13, 2003 at 08:16 PM.

Jan 13, 2003, 07:28 PM	#8
Redking Prince Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where all roads lead to Posts: 383	Interesting progression... illuminating. __________________ What John Keegan said.

Jan 13, 2003, 07:30 PM	#9
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	Future Infantry Units: Objective Force Warrior: Armored Infantry: Armored Shock Trooper: Power Armored Infantry: Mobile Infantry: __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta Last edited by Kal-el; Jan 13, 2003 at 09:21 PM.

Jan 13, 2003, 07:32 PM	#10
Grey Fox Master of Points Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 8,727 Images: 1	Kal-El, would all the units in the progression of infantry have a higher Defensive value? __________________ GreyFox.ME - a blog about Gaming and Me \| Latest Article \| Latest Comic \| Latest Image \| Latest Video @GreyFoxMe \| ~SolidDread \| Read Welcome To China!* \|* My Mods \| Chat about FfH stuff @ #erebus Member of the *R i f E* team. \| Rise from Erebus - *R i f E* \| Blog\| Wiki \| Forum

Jan 13, 2003, 07:48 PM	#11
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	You mean the way that the original Rifleman, Infantry, etc. have higher defense than attack? I guess that is up to the individual modders out there. In DyP I have followed that general trend from the original game, until I get to Grunts who have equal Attack and Defend. Marines are special Infantry units and therefore do not follow the same pattern, they get a higher attack. I also changed the American UU from the useless F-15 to a variant of the Paratrooper. I call them the Airborne Ranger. They get equal attack and defend ratings. Then there are the Spec Ops boys who have a defense rating equal to the Paratroopers, but are more impressive than the Marine and Airborne troops on Offense. Above all these are the Mobile Infantry, these guys are top of the line, even better than Modern Armor, as you would expect as they are definitely beyond the next generation Units. These mean nasties have an Attack only slightly weaker than the Modern Armor, but have a better defense and are faster, not only that but they can do things that Modern Armor can not, Paradrop, All Terrain as Roads, and Amphibious. I am currently using the Powered Armor animation but would love to see someone take up the challenge of creating a 3D model of my Mobile Infantry drawing. I have not included Trenchers, Objective Force Warriors, Armored Infantry, Armored Shock Infantry or Power Armored Infantry in DyP cuz I haven't figured out how to fit them all in, but for a mod like Sween's, you should be able to fit them all in there. Hmmm, having put that list together I am tempted to reconfigure my tech tree in order to get more of those units involved. __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 13, 2003, 09:12 PM	#12
Syrus_Knife Sifted Silaphi Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In my state of mind. Posts: 536	Make the Halo dude, 'Master Chief'

Jan 14, 2003, 12:23 PM	#13
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	Sebsage, what are you talking about? __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 14, 2003, 12:57 PM	#15
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	Ah, thanks. Sometimes I don't know where he is coming from. __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 14, 2003, 01:22 PM	#17
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	LOL __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 14, 2003, 03:03 PM	#18
GrandAdmiral Deity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,046	Actually thats the first good idea I have heard from him. The Halo guys are actually future marines and that game is great. It would make a good future infantry unit.

Jan 14, 2003, 03:42 PM	#19
Kal-el Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Washington DC Posts: 4,827	That is a good idea actually. Where do you think they fit in the upgrade chain? __________________ Designer of the Double Your Pleasure Mod and Rise and Rule, Check them out the latest version at Rise and Rule for C3C and DocT's 1.04 pre-Beta

Jan 14, 2003, 09:18 PM	#20
GrandAdmiral Deity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,046	Before Power Armor. He's got a suit with sheilds but his weapons aren't as advanced as Power Armor and he can't fly.

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