Opinions of Accelerated Production?

Psychlone · Feb 07, 2003, 09:41 PM

So after a year away from Civ 3, I started playing again, with the new accelerated production. I tried playing without that the other day and it's totally ruined my edge, I am getting stomped.

Just curious about peoples' opinions for or against accelerated production.

WildFire · Feb 07, 2003, 10:06 PM

I have played nothing but accelerated production in most of my PBEM games and all of my hotseat games.

And in my current tournament game and the GOTM, it is a huge jump going back to non AP.

But I really like AP, makes for some very interesting games.

MTheil3508 · Feb 07, 2003, 10:34 PM

I always seem to play accelerated production. I hate waiting around forever to get techs. There are some instances were I want to play long and extended games. These are usually huge maps with as little ocean as possible.

P.S. This is my 300th post!!!

[dance]

Sim_One · Feb 07, 2003, 10:48 PM

Ever since I played my first accelerated game, all the games I've been playing from that time on has been accelerated.

DaDoo · Feb 07, 2003, 11:09 PM

I've played with accelerated production for a while. Then I started to play games without it. I went through what could best described as "AP withdrawal". It wasn't pretty... but I'm now used to non-AP games again.

Turner · Feb 07, 2003, 11:43 PM

It seems once you go AP, you don't go back. . . I use AP, and wouldn't have it any other way.

A lady on my civ3 email loop summed it up this way: Why wait for anything?

stormbind · Feb 07, 2003, 11:48 PM

Not tried AP yet. I think about it, and then I wonder if it will be all rush and no tactics... so put it off until the next game.... and the next....

Carbon_Copy · Feb 07, 2003, 11:50 PM

I don't use AP, don't like it. The way it compresses the playing time doesn't feel right. That and while everything else gets doubled, movement rate stays the same and workers still work the same pace, it just skews the game into something else that I'm not interested in playing. Only reason I would play it would be in a PBEM game, just because it would be such a pain to pass around those save files and anything that gets the game over faster is probably worth it.

Aeson · Feb 08, 2003, 01:37 AM

AP in many ways lowers the difficulty level of the game. The AI isn't all that good at minimizing spillover (both food and production) without AP, and I'm sure it's worse with it. At higher difficulty levels they don't need a commerce/research boost at all either because of the 4 turn tech limit and the player will just end up with all the AI's cash anyways through smart trading. I almost never get even half what I could from the AI for a trade because they are so strapped for cash with the default rules.

Basically, it just gives the players a bonus against the AI. The player can alter their terrain improvements and build orders so as to minimize production and food spillover.

Klasanov · Feb 08, 2003, 02:49 AM

Once I started AP, I haven't gone back since.

It's a little hard to manage though when you get three warriors before any pop increase.

Yoda Power · Feb 08, 2003, 03:22 AM

I never tried it.

smalltalk · Feb 08, 2003, 01:42 PM

there is no realistic timeline to Civ 3.

play without AP: start spaceship before man set foot on the moon.
pay with AP: start spaceship before man set foot on the moon.

so: no realistic time-line in Civ 3 anyhow-

Ville · Feb 08, 2003, 01:47 PM

Its a very good thing if you like quick games

Sim_One · Feb 08, 2003, 06:26 PM

Just be careful with invading AI cities that have a lot of food around. In Despotism, the AI will pop-rush those spearmen like crazy, since population now grows twice as fast.

efg · Feb 08, 2003, 11:01 PM

Ap makes the game go a little too fast. I mean, having 50+ cities without warring before AD. is a little too fast.

MTheil3508 · Feb 08, 2003, 11:36 PM

It can go a little fast...

I once lowered the tech rate on a tiny map by 20 and had AP. I had riflemen before I had all my cities connected, and being ahead technologically, my newly created SoD of Medieval Infantry were going up against Infantry.

philippe · Feb 09, 2003, 08:12 AM

I dont like AP

Zarn · Feb 09, 2003, 08:30 AM

I never really tried AP. I will now, since you guys generally think it's great. Is it as addicting as the game itself? (This is not to be answered)

kittenOFchaos · Feb 09, 2003, 08:40 AM

I don't like AP. It is bad enough in the full game that I complete all the buildings quickly and end up having to build military units or wealth without AP doing that in double-quick time.

With the rapidity of development the game technology to timeline also gets more distorted, something that I don't like neither. Furthermore I don't really see the need of it, just increasing the number of units, how quickly things are built does not make the game more enjoyable as far as I'm concerned.

You can keep it.

china444 · Feb 09, 2003, 08:40 AM

I dont like Ap. I'd just rather play classic than fast. I dont like researching Nationalism in 400 ad.

Feb 07, 2003, 09:41 PM	#1
Psychlone Architect of Aggression Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 237	Opinions of Accelerated Production? So after a year away from Civ 3, I started playing again, with the new accelerated production. I tried playing without that the other day and it's totally ruined my edge, I am getting stomped. Just curious about peoples' opinions for or against accelerated production.

Feb 07, 2003, 10:06 PM	#2
WildFire amour Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: mIRC Posts: 5,176	I have played nothing but accelerated production in most of my PBEM games and all of my hotseat games. And in my current tournament game and the GOTM, it is a huge jump going back to non AP. But I really like AP, makes for some very interesting games. __________________

Feb 07, 2003, 10:48 PM	#4
Sim_One Emperor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,073	Ever since I played my first accelerated game, all the games I've been playing from that time on has been accelerated. __________________ What's worse than a cold toilet seat? A warm toilet seat. There's only one way short of magic it could have gotten warm. At first, you're almost thankful it's warm, then you start thinking...

Feb 07, 2003, 11:09 PM	#5
DaDoo Prince Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 371	I've played with accelerated production for a while. Then I started to play games without it. I went through what could best described as "AP withdrawal". It wasn't pretty... but I'm now used to non-AP games again. __________________ Nothing is more accurate than friendly fire.

Feb 07, 2003, 11:48 PM	#7
stormbind Retenta personam! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 14,081	Not tried AP yet. I think about it, and then I wonder if it will be all rush and no tactics... so put it off until the next game.... and the next.... __________________ Memoria mihi benigna erit qui eam perscribam Warning: The above post may be passionate and opinionated

Feb 07, 2003, 10:34 PM	#3
MTheil3508 Prince Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 340	I always seem to play accelerated production. I hate waiting around forever to get techs. There are some instances were I want to play long and extended games. These are usually huge maps with as little ocean as possible. P.S. This is my 300th post!!! [dance]

Feb 07, 2003, 11:43 PM	#6
Turner Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Randomistan Posts: 25,973	It seems once you go AP, you don't go back. . . I use AP, and wouldn't have it any other way. A lady on my civ3 email loop summed it up this way: Why wait for anything?

Feb 07, 2003, 11:50 PM	#8
Carbon_Copy Elemental Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 623	I don't use AP, don't like it. The way it compresses the playing time doesn't feel right. That and while everything else gets doubled, movement rate stays the same and workers still work the same pace, it just skews the game into something else that I'm not interested in playing. Only reason I would play it would be in a PBEM game, just because it would be such a pain to pass around those save files and anything that gets the game over faster is probably worth it.

Feb 08, 2003, 01:37 AM	#9
Aeson orangesoda Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,307	AP in many ways lowers the difficulty level of the game. The AI isn't all that good at minimizing spillover (both food and production) without AP, and I'm sure it's worse with it. At higher difficulty levels they don't need a commerce/research boost at all either because of the 4 turn tech limit and the player will just end up with all the AI's cash anyways through smart trading. I almost never get even half what I could from the AI for a trade because they are so strapped for cash with the default rules. Basically, it just gives the players a bonus against the AI. The player can alter their terrain improvements and build orders so as to minimize production and food spillover. __________________ "tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner."

Feb 08, 2003, 02:49 AM	#10
Klasanov Catz!!! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: all your base are belong to us Posts: 189	Once I started AP, I haven't gone back since. It's a little hard to manage though when you get three warriors before any pop increase.

Feb 08, 2003, 03:22 AM	#11
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,295 Images: 16	I never tried it. __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

Feb 08, 2003, 01:42 PM	#12
smalltalk monkey business Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: personality zoo Posts: 1,140	there is no realistic timeline to Civ 3. play without AP: start spaceship before man set foot on the moon. pay with AP: start spaceship before man set foot on the moon. so: no realistic time-line in Civ 3 anyhow-

Feb 08, 2003, 01:47 PM	#13
Ville Deity Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Espoo, Finland Posts: 2,814	Its a very good thing if you like quick games

Feb 08, 2003, 06:26 PM	#14
Sim_One Emperor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,073	Just be careful with invading AI cities that have a lot of food around. In Despotism, the AI will pop-rush those spearmen like crazy, since population now grows twice as fast. __________________ What's worse than a cold toilet seat? A warm toilet seat. There's only one way short of magic it could have gotten warm. At first, you're almost thankful it's warm, then you start thinking...

Feb 08, 2003, 11:01 PM	#15
efg Chieftain Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 32	Ap makes the game go a little too fast. I mean, having 50+ cities without warring before AD. is a little too fast.

Feb 08, 2003, 11:36 PM	#16
MTheil3508 Prince Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Earth, Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 340	It can go a little fast... I once lowered the tech rate on a tiny map by 20 and had AP. I had riflemen before I had all my cities connected, and being ahead technologically, my newly created SoD of Medieval Infantry were going up against Infantry.

Feb 09, 2003, 08:12 AM	#17
philippe FYI, I chase trains. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bourgondische Kreitz Posts: 11,416	I dont like AP __________________ THIS TEXT IS ORANGE

Feb 09, 2003, 08:30 AM	#18
Zarn Le Républicain Catholique Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey/ Delaware Valley Posts: 11,561	I never really tried AP. I will now, since you guys generally think it's great. Is it as addicting as the game itself? (This is not to be answered) __________________ Warning: Poster is Roman Catholic. Respond at your own risk!

Feb 09, 2003, 08:40 AM	#19
kittenOFchaos Deity Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Gidea Park, Essex, England Posts: 6,703	I don't like AP. It is bad enough in the full game that I complete all the buildings quickly and end up having to build military units or wealth without AP doing that in double-quick time. With the rapidity of development the game technology to timeline also gets more distorted, something that I don't like neither. Furthermore I don't really see the need of it, just increasing the number of units, how quickly things are built does not make the game more enjoyable as far as I'm concerned. You can keep it. __________________ I play under the name DeviousDevil, but I've retired from Civ. I was a member of GOD, twice CCC champions and formerly the best Civ4 Clan in the World and also played with KC, MUD and A. I am a former KAC Tournament Champion The honeymoon period for Civ V is over I'm back to playing Alpha Centauri

Feb 09, 2003, 08:40 AM	#20
china444 Ain't no thang Join Date: May 2002 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Posts: 3,992	I dont like Ap. I'd just rather play classic than fast. I dont like researching Nationalism in 400 ad.

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