[vanilla] + [G&K] Understanding the Zone Of Control - Page 2

FeiLing · Jan 31, 2012, 09:45 AM

I don't get why my warrior was able to move like shown in this picture:

Optional · Jan 31, 2012, 09:56 AM

Were you at war with Bismarck?

FeiLing · Jan 31, 2012, 10:12 AM

Hmm, no I wasn't. Thought the ZoC rules always applied... but I guess that just seemed to be the case because barbarians always annoy you with their ZoCs right from the start of a game.

HardRocker · Mar 04, 2012, 02:53 PM

I didn't even know there WAS a ZOC! This game is much more complex than I thought...

ahawk · Mar 09, 2012, 10:31 AM

I noticed the Danish unit disembarking exploit before, and never knew exactly what was going on. After reading this and seeing that the unit actually has double it's maximum MPs, I can see that the problem is mathematical: ZOC uses up the unit's LISTED LIMIT of MPs, not its REMAINING MPs. The programmer didn't count on units being able to have a higher number of MPs than their listed limit, and because of this, made ZOC consume the normal limit's worth of MPs, which doesn't stop a unit that has higher than 100% of its MP limit.

In this case, the Danish Rifleman, with 4/2 MPs, loses 2MP for ZOC and not the 4MP. Had they counted on a unit being able to have greater than its maximum, they could have simply programmed ZOC to use up all actual remaining MPs (left-hand value of MPs) rather than the unit's normal limit (right-hand value). Obviously, they just never counted on this occurrence, and because Denmark was in a DLC, I think that maybe they didn't test the ZOC rules with regard to the UA they programmed for Denmark.

Very interesting.

chrin67 · Sep 02, 2012, 06:20 AM

Bonjour,

I reread the article to check if it is still valid for G&K.
As the ZOC rule did not change, I changed only the following details in order for the article to be valid for G&K, too:

- Fig. 5: changed caravel to Battleship (caravels have only 4MP in G&K !)

- Trying to protect embarked units

If you're playing with the Gods & Kings expansion of Civ V it is not a real issue to protect embarked units because it is possible to stack them with naval military units. It's much more of a challenge to protect embarked units without this expansion, for the following reasons:

You may correct my english...

CoolSef · Sep 13, 2012, 01:01 AM

Thank you so much for explaining that !!

Jan 31, 2012, 09:45 AM	#21
FeiLing Emperor Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,261 Images: 1	I don't get why my warrior was able to move like shown in this picture: Attached Thumbnails

Jan 31, 2012, 09:56 AM	#22
Optional vet Join Date: May 2007 Location: It Dockumer Lokaeltsje Posts: 2,605	Were you at war with Bismarck? __________________

Mar 04, 2012, 02:53 PM	#24
HardRocker Student. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington, U.S.A. Posts: 363 Images: 2	I didn't even know there WAS a ZOC! This game is much more complex than I thought... __________________ "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." ~Abraham Lincoln

Sep 02, 2012, 06:20 AM	#26
chrin67 Empereur Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: France Posts: 144	Bonjour, I reread the article to check if it is still valid for G&K. As the ZOC rule did not change, I changed only the following details in order for the article to be valid for G&K, too: - Fig. 5: changed caravel to Battleship (caravels have only 4MP in G&K !) - Trying to protect embarked units If you're playing with the Gods & Kings expansion of Civ V it is not a real issue to protect embarked units because it is possible to stack them with naval military units. It's much more of a challenge to protect embarked units without this expansion, for the following reasons: You may correct my english... __________________ La victoire en chantant, nous ouvre la barrière, la liberté guide nos pas, [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chant_du_d%C3%A9part

Jan 31, 2012, 10:12 AM	#23
FeiLing Emperor Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,261 Images: 1	Hmm, no I wasn't. Thought the ZoC rules always applied... but I guess that just seemed to be the case because barbarians always annoy you with their ZoCs right from the start of a game.

Mar 09, 2012, 10:31 AM	#25
ahawk Prince Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 558	I noticed the Danish unit disembarking exploit before, and never knew exactly what was going on. After reading this and seeing that the unit actually has double it's maximum MPs, I can see that the problem is mathematical: ZOC uses up the unit's LISTED LIMIT of MPs, not its REMAINING MPs. The programmer didn't count on units being able to have a higher number of MPs than their listed limit, and because of this, made ZOC consume the normal limit's worth of MPs, which doesn't stop a unit that has higher than 100% of its MP limit. In this case, the Danish Rifleman, with 4/2 MPs, loses 2MP for ZOC and not the 4MP. Had they counted on a unit being able to have greater than its maximum, they could have simply programmed ZOC to use up all actual remaining MPs (left-hand value of MPs) rather than the unit's normal limit (right-hand value). Obviously, they just never counted on this occurrence, and because Denmark was in a DLC, I think that maybe they didn't test the ZOC rules with regard to the UA they programmed for Denmark. Very interesting.

Sep 13, 2012, 01:01 AM	#27
CoolSef Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1	Thank you so much for explaining that !!

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