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Old Oct 30, 2011, 07:14 AM   #1
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Warmonger diplomacy penalty or not?

So this are the diplomacy modifiers:

Declaration of Friendship: +5
Liberated a Capital: +5
Freed Captured Citizens: +4
Liberated a regular City: +4
Declaration of Friendship with the same Civ's: +3
Denounced the same Civ's: +3
Fought the same Enemies: +3
Fought the same Enemies and destroyed Cities: +2
The AI admires your Wonders: +2
Recently Traded: +2
Provided help when the AI asked for it: +2


Captured their original Capital: -5
Nuked them: -5
Currently at War: -5
Broke Declaration of Friendship and declared War: -5
Declared War on their Friends: -5
Culture-bombed them: -5
Killed protected City-States: -5
Denounced them/Denounced us: -5
Traded with their Enemies: -3
Attacked protected City-States: -3
Broke promise to not attack City-State(s): -3
Ignored request to not attack City-State(s): -3
Demanded Tribute: -3
Broke promise to stop expanding/buying land: -3
Denounced their Friends/Friends Denounced us: -3
Refused a request/demand: -2
Close Borders: -1
City-State rivalries: -1



I never Saw in game and in the nights general discussion no modifiers for beeing a warmonger SO isi t competly removed or changed? I hope it is removed because that was one of the reasons diplomacy was bad at current civ

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Old Nov 01, 2011, 02:00 AM   #2
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So this are the diplomacy modifiers:

Declaration of Friendship: +5
Liberated a Capital: +5
Freed Captured Citizens: +4
Liberated a regular City: +4
Declaration of Friendship with the same Civ's: +3
Denounced the same Civ's: +3
Fought the same Enemies: +3
Fought the same Enemies and destroyed Cities: +2
The AI admires your Wonders: +2
Recently Traded: +2
Provided help when the AI asked for it: +2


Captured their original Capital: -5
Nuked them: -5
Currently at War: -5
Broke Declaration of Friendship and declared War: -5
Declared War on their Friends: -5
Culture-bombed them: -5
Killed protected City-States: -5
Denounced them/Denounced us: -5
Traded with their Enemies: -3
Attacked protected City-States: -3
Broke promise to not attack City-State(s): -3
Ignored request to not attack City-State(s): -3
Demanded Tribute: -3
Broke promise to stop expanding/buying land: -3
Denounced their Friends/Friends Denounced us: -3
Refused a request/demand: -2
Close Borders: -1
City-State rivalries: -1



I never Saw in game and in the nights general discussion no modifiers for beeing a warmonger SO isi t competly removed or changed? I hope it is removed because that was one of the reasons diplomacy was bad at current civ
There is no warmonger penalty in NiGHTS. There are enough negative modifiers that can add up very quickly without adding this to the mix, (not to mention the broken nature of being labeled a warmonger when you weren't actually the one to start the war in the first place).

Also, certain negative modifiers - like "attacked protected City-States/declared war on friends" make an additional warmonger penalty particularly redundant - as these are essentially the same thing.
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Old Nov 01, 2011, 10:04 AM   #3
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"Traded with their Enemies: -3"

Does this mean I have a DoF with their enemies?
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Old Nov 02, 2011, 12:41 AM   #4
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"Traded with their Enemies: -3"

Does this mean I have a DoF with their enemies?
That's correct.
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