TerraNES: The Civil Experiment - Page 2

Terrance888 · Nov 15, 2011, 05:56 PM

Spoiler for Current Map:

Great! So far, I'd like somethings for the people who don't have anything yet, and more people in India/China (and America if Abaddon puts up something) to fill it out. Right now, the map is just for saving starts; your starting territories will look similiar, but larger/smaller depending on Civ Zones and history.

Also, I want you guys to critique the style a bit; for the eastern Maps I cleaned the rivers and cities, while for the western Civs I just pasted it in on a different layer. Also, is White OK or do you guys prefer black borders? I am thinking of dropping 2 black dots per rural, and just putting them where there are some rural settlements instead, to mark the difference between some base income (pasture land, limberyards, mines ect) and wastelands.

@ Abaddon, yes, American start is OK, but I'd like if you would rope in some other players too!

@ Eltain, won't be a problem; I'll keep that in mind. If you ever need an NPC I'll accept attempt to play along your chosen path. Remember, I'll be handing out 3 strikes for those who don't warn me of problems!

@ Tycho and Others
What happens depends entirely on your actions from now on. (and, well, my reaction

). Are there Etruscans between you who are constantly invaded, or did both of you hold sway over large confederacies outside of your Nation proper you must protect? How much and how often do you even see each other? (remember, 5000 years ago.

). For everyone, on update 0 there will be NO NPCs, and you don't have to plan for any at that time; expansion is limited by investment and how much you are willing to attempt to assimilate, trade is limited by how many peaceful NPCs you can find. However, your actions on Turn 1 will affect your NPCs, whether they are peaceful, aggressive, or just paranoid. (I promise that no one will only get one type).

Those in red zones have to be aware that even on Turn 0, there will be some rather significant towns next to them, and their treatment of said towns will hold sway on the next generation of neighbors.

Also, if I happen to mess up placement, or if you want your city on the other side of the river/whatever, just tell me via VM (visitor message). I am trying to save PMs for things that really need to be private (such as projects).

Tycho · Nov 15, 2011, 06:54 PM

Map looks really good, exactly where I was hoping to be placed

. Black borders might obscure bits of the map, but that will be rather minor.

J.K. Stockholme · Nov 15, 2011, 08:03 PM

Hey guys, I'm new to this, but I would like to try.

Nation/Player: Aramya - Stockholme

Color: Chartreuse Green

Location: Base of the Euphrates/Tigris River System, near the coast, between the rivers.

Background: Since the advent of agriculture village sized clans had began settling lower Mesopotamia. Of the settled lands, the city of Danae grew the fastest, advancing their farms to dominate the region's economy. Under the leadership of a freed slave, the other clans were subjugated and assimilated into the united region, Aramya, the exalted state.

Optical · Nov 15, 2011, 08:13 PM

Welcome to the forums!

@Terrance: Map looks great! I'd stick with the white borders, to be honest.

Terrance888 · Nov 15, 2011, 08:18 PM

Welcome Stockholme to NESing! If you have any questions, most of us are glad to help.

Good starting post. For your nation, does the Freed Slave mean that it is a Meritocracy (best people move up the government) Dictatorship (lead a coup and then conquered neighbors) or something else entirely?

@ Olaf, thanks. Should I clean up the color on the water/cities like China/India, or should I let it spill over like at Greece? (don't worry, I'm using layers ~~of protection~~)

Optical · Nov 15, 2011, 08:20 PM

Clean it up on the water and cities I guess. Your choice though.

J.K. Stockholme · Nov 15, 2011, 11:12 PM

Freed slave was primarily for cultural precedent, makes for a nice religious founding myth. The government would be built up on the allies of the freed slave, those who fought with him for control of the region, regardless of merit.

DarthNader · Nov 16, 2011, 10:41 AM

The water on the map needs some fixing, and I honestly think no one needs borders until two civilizations actually meet on the map. Also, why are there borders and territorial shading over water?

SouthernKing · Nov 16, 2011, 03:02 PM

So we each start out with only one city?

KaiserElectric · Nov 16, 2011, 03:28 PM

Everything is peachy thus far. Keep calm and carry on.

Terrance888 · Nov 16, 2011, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.K. Stockholme

Freed slave was primarily for cultural precedent, makes for a nice religious founding myth. The government would be built up on the allies of the freed slave, those who fought with him for control of the region, regardless of merit.

Thanks for explaining your government to me. Time to start the story.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthNader

The water on the map needs some fixing, and I honestly think no one needs borders until two civilizations actually meet on the map. Also, why are there borders and territorial shading over water?

The water on the map... what do you suggest? Do you want me to clean up all the rivers? (and add about an Hour to the map updating time?). Do you want me to stop shading over water for nearby islands? As for the borders, well, I just don't like how they merge into the countryside on my first map you critiqued earlier. For the over water thing at Athens, I promise I would only do that for close-by islands and such, and only to save some time as well give a nice sense of naval control.

Keep up the criticism.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernKing

So we each start out with only one city?

Yup. However, you can have as many "towns" or whatever in your stories/orders. You gotta have a quite a decent amalgam of people willing to trade and craft for me to count it as a city. Although cities will grow naturally throughout time, the best way to get more is A) Actions to encourage people to settle within urban areas and hope a city pops up faster B) actually spending for a city (still must have reasons why they would even want to settle that area) or C) writing stories about your people colonizing and trading.

DarthNader · Nov 16, 2011, 09:30 PM

To solve the water problem, go back to the original map and make sure you save it as a .png file (.jpeg files mess with solid colors). As for shading, just shade in land masses...it isn't hard. If an island isn't visible on the map, it isn't worth jack.

Terrance888 · Nov 16, 2011, 09:38 PM

I am working with Paint.net files for the layering, but I'll try .PNG the next time I'll uploaded. For the islands, I am talking about the visible ones. Not gonna shade and reshade Indonesia every time someone has the notion to try to conquer it. However, if it really bugs you and other people I'll probably just clean it up.

BSmith1068 · Nov 17, 2011, 01:29 PM

Kingdom of Zimbabwe/BSmith1068
Color: Red (or whatever works for the map)
Location: Central present day Zimbabwe (south of the Zambezi and just west of the mountains that are due west of the mouth of the Zambezi.
Background: Will fill in later.

Terrance888 · Nov 17, 2011, 01:32 PM

Hey, welcome to the party.

Signups due tonight, DEAD LINE IN 24 HOURS! Hopefully, I can finish the update by tomarrow night.

Working on Italy, Aegean sections, as well as stats.

erez87 · Nov 17, 2011, 02:41 PM

Terrance. Add a big white layer bellow all the rest. Color on it, while the mountains are semi-transparent. You will get coloring only within the land and not on rivers or sea.

Eltain · Nov 18, 2011, 05:19 PM

Terrance I like the shade over water. It's transparent so who cares? It makes it easier to update and easier to see who owns what islands, which has always been a problem for me. Just an opinion.

Tycho · Nov 18, 2011, 05:28 PM

Shading does indeed show who owns what islands, which can be handy when two or more people are near island chains.

Terrance888 · Nov 18, 2011, 07:32 PM

Signups are CLOSED! Update 0 has been started.

To Do List
Italy-DONE!
Aegean (POSTPONED!)
Africa (1/3)
Asia (DONE!)
Map
Stats

Terrance888 · Nov 18, 2011, 08:55 PM

Hey Guys.

Just want to say that not only is the next post reserved for my update (

) but also that all the neighboring cultures I'm making up are for you to describe and interact with after this update, and I'll be totally fine and would love for you to do that. If you want to start within a "described culture" zone and want to make some changes, again, please do so! The world is your oyster, I am just setting all the sand particles necessary for the pearls to form.

Finished China, tackling India and Mesopotamia, then going for Africa with the Aegean last. Zeletdude, I'll let you get your culture in via PM if you want.

Update definatly tomarrow. Finishing Asia tonight.

Nov 15, 2011, 05:56 PM	#21
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	Spoiler for Current Map: Uploaded with ImageShack.us Great! So far, I'd like somethings for the people who don't have anything yet, and more people in India/China (and America if Abaddon puts up something) to fill it out. Right now, the map is just for saving starts; your starting territories will look similiar, but larger/smaller depending on Civ Zones and history. Also, I want you guys to critique the style a bit; for the eastern Maps I cleaned the rivers and cities, while for the western Civs I just pasted it in on a different layer. Also, is White OK or do you guys prefer black borders? I am thinking of dropping 2 black dots per rural, and just putting them where there are some rural settlements instead, to mark the difference between some base income (pasture land, limberyards, mines ect) and wastelands. @ Abaddon, yes, American start is OK, but I'd like if you would rope in some other players too! @ Eltain, won't be a problem; I'll keep that in mind. If you ever need an NPC I'll accept attempt to play along your chosen path. Remember, I'll be handing out 3 strikes for those who don't warn me of problems! @ Tycho and Others What happens depends entirely on your actions from now on. (and, well, my reaction ). Are there Etruscans between you who are constantly invaded, or did both of you hold sway over large confederacies outside of your Nation proper you must protect? How much and how often do you even see each other? (remember, 5000 years ago. ). For everyone, on update 0 there will be NO NPCs, and you don't have to plan for any at that time; expansion is limited by investment and how much you are willing to attempt to assimilate, trade is limited by how many peaceful NPCs you can find. However, your actions on Turn 1 will affect your NPCs, whether they are peaceful, aggressive, or just paranoid. (I promise that no one will only get one type). Those in red zones have to be aware that even on Turn 0, there will be some rather significant towns next to them, and their treatment of said towns will hold sway on the next generation of neighbors. Also, if I happen to mess up placement, or if you want your city on the other side of the river/whatever, just tell me via VM (visitor message). I am trying to save PMs for things that really need to be private (such as projects). __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out. Last edited by Terrance888; Nov 15, 2011 at 06:10 PM.

Nov 15, 2011, 06:54 PM	#22
Tycho Exiles No Longer Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States Posts: 2,873	Map looks really good, exactly where I was hoping to be placed . Black borders might obscure bits of the map, but that will be rather minor. __________________ Hammer and Steel/Rome: The Conquering Empire/Honor and Glory/Planet Chaos (Upcoming) TerraNES: The Civil Experiment as Valyria./Absolution 4: Tablua Rasa as the Shang Winner of the • Dawn's Reference Cookie.

Nov 15, 2011, 08:13 PM	#24
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Nov 15, 2011, 08:18 PM	#25
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	Welcome Stockholme to NESing! If you have any questions, most of us are glad to help. Good starting post. For your nation, does the Freed Slave mean that it is a Meritocracy (best people move up the government) Dictatorship (lead a coup and then conquered neighbors) or something else entirely? @ Olaf, thanks. Should I clean up the color on the water/cities like China/India, or should I let it spill over like at Greece? (don't worry, I'm using layers ~~of protection~~) __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out.

Nov 15, 2011, 08:20 PM	#26
Optical The Fall of the Eleventh Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Help me. I don't know where I am. Posts: 4,606	Clean it up on the water and cities I guess. Your choice though. __________________ Those reports of the sunspots and the solar flares, they're wrong. It's not the Sun, it's you. The sky is full of a million million voices saying, "Yes, of course we'll help." You've touched so many lives, saved so many people, did you think when your time came you'd really have to do more than just ask? You've decided that the universe is better off without you. But the universe doesn't agree. My NuWho Catchup: Latest Episode: Last of the Time Lords; Next Episode: Voyage of the Damned

Nov 15, 2011, 08:03 PM	#23
J.K. Stockholme Analyst Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 457	Hey guys, I'm new to this, but I would like to try. Nation/Player: Aramya - Stockholme Color: Chartreuse Green Location: Base of the Euphrates/Tigris River System, near the coast, between the rivers. Background: Since the advent of agriculture village sized clans had began settling lower Mesopotamia. Of the settled lands, the city of Danae grew the fastest, advancing their farms to dominate the region's economy. Under the leadership of a freed slave, the other clans were subjugated and assimilated into the united region, Aramya, the exalted state.

Nov 15, 2011, 11:12 PM	#27
J.K. Stockholme Analyst Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 457	Freed slave was primarily for cultural precedent, makes for a nice religious founding myth. The government would be built up on the allies of the freed slave, those who fought with him for control of the region, regardless of merit.

Nov 16, 2011, 10:41 AM	#28
DarthNader Destroyer of Worlds Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Guido Island Posts: 2,621	The water on the map needs some fixing, and I honestly think no one needs borders until two civilizations actually meet on the map. Also, why are there borders and territorial shading over water?

Nov 16, 2011, 03:02 PM	#29
SouthernKing GAME OVAH! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Shadaloo Posts: 3,201	So we each start out with only one city? __________________ SKNES II: The Bonaparte Legacy

Nov 16, 2011, 03:28 PM	#30
KaiserElectric Lucky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Anywhere Posts: 2,075	Everything is peachy thus far. Keep calm and carry on. __________________ Economic Left/Right: 6.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90 People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history. - Dan Quayle The shark goes on overwatch. -Lighthearter

Nov 16, 2011, 09:30 PM	#32
DarthNader Destroyer of Worlds Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Guido Island Posts: 2,621	To solve the water problem, go back to the original map and make sure you save it as a .png file (.jpeg files mess with solid colors). As for shading, just shade in land masses...it isn't hard. If an island isn't visible on the map, it isn't worth jack.

Nov 16, 2011, 09:38 PM	#33
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	I am working with Paint.net files for the layering, but I'll try .PNG the next time I'll uploaded. For the islands, I am talking about the visible ones. Not gonna shade and reshade Indonesia every time someone has the notion to try to conquer it. However, if it really bugs you and other people I'll probably just clean it up. __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out.

Nov 17, 2011, 01:29 PM	#34
BSmith1068 Deity Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Petoskey, MI Posts: 2,366	Kingdom of Zimbabwe/BSmith1068 Color: Red (or whatever works for the map) Location: Central present day Zimbabwe (south of the Zambezi and just west of the mountains that are due west of the mouth of the Zambezi. Background: Will fill in later. __________________ Ever wanted to know more about Freemasonry? Read these, or ask me! Avatar Image © Drew Smith Photography

Nov 17, 2011, 01:32 PM	#35
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	Hey, welcome to the party. Signups due tonight, DEAD LINE IN 24 HOURS! Hopefully, I can finish the update by tomarrow night. Working on Italy, Aegean sections, as well as stats. __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out.

Nov 17, 2011, 02:41 PM	#36
erez87 Bringer of Randomness Join Date: May 2002 Location: israel Posts: 12,674	Terrance. Add a big white layer bellow all the rest. Color on it, while the mountains are semi-transparent. You will get coloring only within the land and not on rivers or sea.

Nov 18, 2011, 05:19 PM	#37
Eltain Emperor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ROC, NY, US Posts: 1,925	Terrance I like the shade over water. It's transparent so who cares? It makes it easier to update and easier to see who owns what islands, which has always been a problem for me. Just an opinion. __________________ Kingdom of the Alfrenks in TerraNES: The Civil Experiment Republica do Brasil in Six Month War: Take 4 We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. Semper In Faecibus Sumum, Sole Profundum Variat "I did kind of flinch with the cutting the babies out of the womb and strangling them with umbilical cords." -Lord of Elves

Nov 18, 2011, 05:28 PM	#38
Tycho Exiles No Longer Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States Posts: 2,873	Shading does indeed show who owns what islands, which can be handy when two or more people are near island chains. __________________ Hammer and Steel/Rome: The Conquering Empire/Honor and Glory/Planet Chaos (Upcoming) TerraNES: The Civil Experiment as Valyria./Absolution 4: Tablua Rasa as the Shang Winner of the • Dawn's Reference Cookie.

Nov 18, 2011, 07:32 PM	#39
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	Signups are CLOSED! Update 0 has been started. To Do List Italy-DONE! Aegean (POSTPONED!) Africa (1/3) Asia (DONE!) Map Stats __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out. Last edited by Terrance888; Nov 19, 2011 at 06:25 PM.

Nov 18, 2011, 08:55 PM	#40
Terrance888 Draconic Mod Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Update Workshop Posts: 11,489	Hey Guys. Just want to say that not only is the next post reserved for my update () but also that all the neighboring cultures I'm making up are for you to describe and interact with after this update, and I'll be totally fine and would love for you to do that. If you want to start within a "described culture" zone and want to make some changes, again, please do so! The world is your oyster, I am just setting all the sand particles necessary for the pearls to form. Finished China, tackling India and Mesopotamia, then going for Africa with the Aegean last. Zeletdude, I'll let you get your culture in via PM if you want. Update definatly tomarrow. Finishing Asia tonight. __________________ IOTerraNES: The Civil Experiment Finally Presents Update 19: End of An Era A brand new beginning reaches the end of one era. Join now to help shape Part 2! Special Orders: See Bottom of Update. The Wiki: Help us build a storage a knowledge that rivals the one NK built! Yeah yeah, he mostly did it himself. I don't know. Creativity isn't really my thing. presents you a world of cooperative storytelling. Mixed in dieselpunk style airships, floating islands, new ideologies, and scheming of the first class! #nesdnd and it's Public Files Can a noob DM handle 12 players? Join us and find out. Last edited by Terrance888; Nov 18, 2011 at 09:09 PM.

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