TSG #1: 'Classic' Britannia

[Kev]

OK, here's the saved game.

[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by Kev
OK, big DUH for me for NOT uploading the last save game. I'll have to do that tonight when I'm home from work.

Hetairoi: Between you and Hippo as to who's next. Perhaps Hippo will give us an update as to his situation and you and he can decide who will play on.

Been rather quiet here of late. Anyone ready to continue???

[Belisarius]

Originally posted by Andu Indorin


Been rather quiet here of late. Anyone ready to continue???

Yes I can my turn now if that's OK with everyone.

[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by Belisarius


Yes I can my turn now if that's OK with everyone.

OK, by me!

[Kev]

Onward! Belisarius

[Andu Indorin]

So, in the mean time, I started a Civ Game with settings at Deity +1 ("Worshipful") and at Barbarian Wrath. The unhappiness is brutal, but I think I have the remaining civilizations on the run. But when the 1st "Native Unrest" in my vicinity yields 99 barbarian units -- in 1100, no less -- I begin to wonder if I'll survive this game. (Fortunately, the arising occurred on a peninsula; and rush built destroyer managed to knock 92 with its first attack!)

Anyone for a succession game with the Barbarian level set at "Wrath" mode?

[Kev]

Andu:

I've read where people have played Deity level +something and higher barb activities. How can one get these levels?

I've been so involved with Civ3 that I haven't played Civ2 at all other than these succession games in a while. I would be quite interested to see what these higher deals are all about!

[Belisarius]

1854AD (1) Start with 11.58 million people in 41 cities. Defense Minister reports 20 Engineers, 14 Alpine Troops, 28 Riflemen, 12 Cavalry, 6 Artillery, 7 Cruisers, 7 Transports, 7 Spies and 6 Freight. Lower Lux from 30% to 20%. Tax 20% (income 218/cost 136). Science 60% (3 turns). We are at peace with the Russians and the Aztecs. War with everyone else.

Rush build Aqueduct in Coventry. Cruiser in Tours kills French Marines. Second Cruiser kills French Cannon. Cruisers from Cherbourg kill French Alpine Troops and Riflemen near Tours. Transport at Cherbourg loads 4 Cavalry and 1 Riflemen and moves to Tours. Lose 2 Cavalry to kill French Marine iand Rifleman in fort. Caravans arrive in Chartres for 160 + 210 + 226 = 596 gold. Rush build Port Facility in Newcastle. Rush build Engineers in Beijing, Manchuria, Tientsin and Xinjian so that we can connect China and Russia by rail. Rush build Aqueduct in Mongolia and Temple in Carlisle.

1855AD (2) Discover Nuclear Fission and research Mobile Warfare. Caravan arrives in Delhi for 304 gold. Make peace with the Zulus and French. We need time to increase our forces since we have to guard so many different fronts in Austalia, China, Russia and North America. Raise Science to 70% (3 turns) and lower Tax to 10% (income 110/147 cost). Keep Lux at 20%. Will keep Science up until we get Robotics (Howitzer). Rush build Alpine Troops in Tours and Engineers in Cherbourg as we are week in Australia against the French.

1856AD (3) French sneak attack but it gains them nothing. With China and Russia linked by rail we can start to send some reinforcements to Australia by Transport to fight the French.

1857AD (4) Discover Mobile Warfare and research Robotics. Make peace with Indians. Slip Spy onto Russian rail net and reach Moscow. British Cruisers kill garrison of Chartres and we capture 576 gold and Guerrilla Warfare. Rush build Port Facility in Cherbourg and Alpine Troops in Tours.

1858AD (5) Reinforcements from China arrives in Tours via Transport chain with 3 Cavalry, 2 Artillery and 1 Engineer. Raise Science to 80% and Tax 0% with Lux 20%. This will give us Robotics next turn.

1859AD (6) Discover Robotics and research Recycling. Sneak attacked by Indians and Russians. A total of 6 Engineers are lost. Rush build Howitzer in Gloucester. Lower Science to 10% (20 turns) and raised Tax to 70% (income 853/151 cost). Lux still 20%. We will need cash to rush build the Army. Spot last Aztec city and build railroad to it.

1860AD (7) Rush build Howitzers in Tours and Cherbourg and Barracks in Chartres. Capture Avignon in Australia from French with 197 gold and gain Fundamentalism. It does not have a city wall and so is easy to capture.

1861AD (8) Capture Dijon in Java from French after Cruiser bombardment and gain 254 gold. We are still not strong enough to take inland city of Tours from French. Rush build Battleship in Newcastle. Spot Zulu city of Isipezi and start railroad towards it. Rush build Engineers in Macao, Gloucester, Exeter and Leeds. Howitzers in Xinjian, Carlisle, Birmingham, Manchuria, Mongolia and Maikop. Temple in Korea.

1862AD (9) Capture Amiens the second French city on Java and gain 179 gold. Rush build Howitzer in Avignon, Chartres, Cherbourg and Tours. Capture Odessa a small Russian city near border with India and get 103 gold.

1863AD (10) Finally strong enough to capture Lyons in Australia from French and gain 564 gold. Capture Dnepropetrovsk and 43 gold from Russians but Senate signs peace. Three Caravans from Hastings Transported to York to help with Hoover Dam which is then rush completed. Rush build Riflemen in Dijon and Battleship in Newcastle.

1864AD (11) Hoover Dam completed so start Cure for Cancer in York. Capture Kolhapur and 189 gold from Indians. Rush build Marines in Amiens, Howitzer in Avignon and Cherbourg and Armour in Chartres and Odessa.

1865AD (12) Russins break cease fire. Aztecs steal Refining and we declare war. I have been waiting for a chance at the Aztecs as they and the Zulus are the weakest in science. Zulus join Aztecs to fight British. After Battleship bombardment capture Grenoble from French on Island of Celebes (north of Java) and 358 gold. Capture Vladivostok and 70 gold. Senate signs cease fire with Russians and stop the easy capture of another Russian city. Capture Atzcapotzalco from Aztecs and Senate signs cease fire with Aztecs. We fight Zulus and Aztecs join war again. This enables the capture of Tamuin and 16 gold from Aztecs and Isipezi and 60 gold from Zulus.

1866AD (13) Government colapses as I was so busy fighting I forgot to check attitude. Capture Marseilleam 636 gold and Statue of Liberty. Make peace with Russians and demand tribute and they withdraw their troops. This tidies up the Russian front and clears a lot of pesky Partisans from behind our lines. We demand tribute from Aztecs and they declare war. Capture Texcoco and 87 gold. Capture Intombe and 42 gold. Also capture Tlaxcala and 5 gold to destroy Aztec civ. Rush build Armour in Australia at Avignon, Chartres and Cherbourg. Rush build Battleship in Newcastle. Rush buy Howitzers in Richmond, Mongolia, Leeds, Birmingham, Manchuria and Carlisle.

1867AD (14) Now ready to fight so demand tribute from Russians and they declare war. Capture Tblisi, 164 gold and Darwin's Voyage. Also capture Yakutsk and 143 gold from Russians.

1868AD (15) New Democratic government. I thought about going Communist but decided to spare the senate from being shot up against the wall. Capture Paris and 660 gold. Senate sign cease fire with French. Decide to move Navy and Transport of troops towards Indian while we are unable to attack French. Capture Smolensk from Russians and 159 gold and again Senate signs cease fire. Where's that wall when you need it. During cease fires I try and build railroads to link up to my next target cities. Also sooner or later they sneak attack my Engineers.

1869AD (16) Since we have cease fire with Russians we build a railroad to link Moscow and St Petersburg. Rush build Armour in Texcoco, Intombe, Atzcapotzalco, Tamuin, Tula and Winnipeg. Zulus are defending with Muskets so will be easy meat for tanks. Rush buils Barracks in Isipezi to heal wounded from fighting Zulus.

1870AD (17) Russians attack killing 4 Engineers. In retaliation we capture Rostov with 166 gold and St Petersburg with 88 gold. We thus gain Isaac Newton's and the Eiffel Tower. The Senate rejects Russian peace offers. Hurrah. Rush buy Battleships in Canterbury and Seattle to help take out Zulu coastal cities.

1871AD (18) Population exceeds 20 million. Capture Teotihuaracan from Zulua and 125 gold. Senate signs cease fire. We will link it via rail to be ready when the war restarts. Capture Moscow from Russians and 120 gold. All the largest Russian cities have now been captured. Senate signs cease fire.

1872AD (19) Slip Spy into India and he explores Indian Rail system. Three veteran Battleships and 2 veteran Cruisers kill garrison of Delhi and Transport lands Marines and Howitzer to occupy. We gain 215 gold, Pyramids and Sun Tzu's. Senate signs cease fire. Sell of Granaries. Rush build Cure for Cancer. Rush build Offshore Platform at Coventry. Rush build Factories at Oxford and Warwick.

1873AD (20) Rush build Armour in Delhi. Rush build Manufacturing Plant in London. Spy explores Zulu rail net. Now we have the Cure for Cancer this should make it easier to generate We Love Days.

We now have 21.33 million people in 66 cities. Defense Minister reports 31 Engineers, 12 Alpine Troops, 39 Riflemen, 1 Marine, 4 Cavalry, 9 Armor, 5 Artillery, 24 Howitzers, 4 Cruiser, 5 Battleships, 8 Transport, 8 Spies and 3 Freight. There is 251 gold in the treasury. At the moment we are at peace with everyone. We have destroyed the Aztecs and captured Delhi, Moscow and Paris so things are looking good.

I am not sure which Indian city has Adam Smith's as it has no name but I have just realised that when we spy on these cities we can use the rename button to name them.

[Andu Indorin]

LET THE HOWITZERS ROLE!!! Good job Belisaurius
It's just a question of time before Britannia rules not only the waves but the entire world!

Originally posted by Kev
Andu:

I've read where people have played Deity level +something and higher barb activities. How can one get these levels?

Kev --

As with many things, Smash -- that veritable source for all things Civ2 -- was my source for this. Basically, open up the game.txt file with you basic text editor. While this file deals with pop-up menus, by adding lines to the game start menus for "Level of Difficulty" and "Level of Barbarian Activity," you can another level to the game. (Actually, I seem to recall that you can add two levels to both variables.)

[hetairoi22]

Ok, so I'm next in line then, if that's ok with everyone...

I think I'll be able to play today (I hope).

[Kev]

Thanks for the reply, Andu. Given my lack of computer skills I'll likely cause some problem that would erase my entire hard drive..

Hetaroi: still going to play out the turns?

[hetairoi22]

I'll try to finish my last turns today. If I can't make it I'll just post my latest turn...

Sorry for my slownes ...

[hetairoi22]

Here is, finally my 20 turns. Many short wars. Many losses and many kills and victories.

(1)A.D. 1874: The Zulus expel our spy... We Love the King Day in many cities. Manf. Plant completed in London. We move units away from the Indian cities. We bribe a russian settler. I increase the science rate so that we get techs every three turns. Trade-route between Tzintzuntzen and Tenochtitlan established. Revenue: 48 gold. Caravan on its way to Zimbabwe.

(2)A.D. 1875: Recycling discovered! Flight's due next. Rapports tell us that over 22.000.000 people now live in our enlightening civilization! A settler is sent north, into Canada, to found a new city.

(3)A.D. 1876: The French sneak attack us! They kill two settlers and a transport with a spy! We buy a howitzer in Cherburg. We reach 23.000.000 citizens. Our alpine troops in Australia destroy a partisan stronghold. Our long ranged howitzer destroy more partisans. Seattle-Zimbabwe traderoute established. Revenue: 100 gold. Seattle gains +5 trade! We send in our armed forces and destroy more partsans... Another tank division is defeated when trying to un-arm a Riflemen unit in a fortress! Our artillery destroy yet another partisan. Yet another tank is destroyed while attacking Rheims. A howitzer attacks and kills a Partisan unit in the fortress. But after a failed logistic attack it is destroyed. In Asia our howitzer destroys a french marine unit.

(4)A.D. 1877: A French attack on Paris fails. French bomberdment destroys our cavalry division in southern Australia. Naples is founded in North America. Our howitzers "remove" two French Engineer teams. We launch a massive attack south-west of France, and destroy many French soldiers and take Orleans! Peace is signed because of the UN. Our forces retreat to Marseilles.

(5)A.D. 1878: The Indians develop Mobile Warfare... Oooh! We are the happiest nation in the world! We discover Flight! (The Colossus effects are cancelled, though ). Radio is next in line. 24.000.000 people reached. Japan is now fully irrigated and railroaded. Civil disorder in Amiens and Cherbourg, so entertainment projects are begun, and temples will be built. Our southern Australian forces are fortified in a well-placed fortress, it shall be called "The Red Fort".

(6)A.D. 1879: French aquire Mobile Warfare from the Russians! Uh-oh. Order restored in Cherbourg and Amiens. Civil unrest in Isipezi. A temple shall be built to quell the unrest... Moscow completes a temple. We rush-buy some units in our Indonesian cities. We are getting readt to attack France's Indonesian cites...

(7)A.D. 1880: York build Manf. Plnt. and Amiens builds a temple. I tried to declare war on the French, but the senate wouln't let me... I build defenses in Lyons (in Australia) and move the armed forces that where stationed there down to The Red Fort. I buy riflemen in Gloucester, because barbarian fanatics (Osama and his friends I suppose...) are close at hand. I start mobilizing my Asian forces, just in case. I also order some of the undefended Russian cities to build riflemen.

(8)A.D. 1881: British scientists discover the secrets of the Radio! Advanced Flight's my next choice. My spy bribes a russian artilley piece for 222 gold. I move some units 'round.

(9)A.D. 1882: The Zulus develop Conscription. "Sneak attack by French forces", says my general. (hehehe) They destroy nothing. I activate my "Red Fort" units; Armors and howitzers. In one wave of attacks I take Rheims, which becomes surounded (sp?) by partsans. The French contact me and the Senate forces me to sign a peace treaty. I send a transport over to pickup some American troops at a checkpoint.

(10)A.D. 1883: The Russians acquire Electronics from the Indians. British scientists develop Advanced Flight. Rocketry is next. The partisans near Rheims move away, into the Australian desert. My population has now reached 26 mio. York starts production of the Manhattan Project, and London build a Research Lab. 7 Asian cities start producing Bombers.

(11)A.D. 1884: Indians develop Refining. The Barbarians want 1200 gold, or they will take Gloucester. I say "Do your worst". The Barbs take the city and it is emidiatly surounded (sp?) by partisans. Tzintzuntzen (in America) starts production of the Seti Program. My partisans attack, and retake Gloucester and get 150 gold for the barbarian leader as a bonus. I use some of the partsans as garrison in my Asian cities. Our spy poisons the water supply of Basencon (French city) in Indonesia). It got away. I declare war on the French who activate their alliences with Russia and India. We take Basencon and 442 gold! And we take Poitiers and 221 gold. We eliminate all French partisans in Australia. We then capture an Indian city with no name, with 116 gold pieces for me. Uhm... us! hehe. And then we take two Russian city, Kuibushev and Krasnoyarsk, and "liberate" 54 and 51 gold respectively. A transport pickes up 8 units from the American coast.

(12)A.D. 1885: Damn! The French take back Poitiers and Adv. Flight... I start production of SETI in London also. Increase tax rate so that we get ca. 700 gold every turn (after costs) and breakthroughs every 7 turns. I buy some forces in China. Peace is signed with the French.

(13)A.D. 1886: The Russians kill some of our units. British scientists have discovered Rocketry! Nuclear Power's next. We take the Russian city of Riga. I sabotage the City Walls of Lahore and attack it, not taking it out completely (yet). I kill some Rissian alpine troops and fanatics up north.

(14)A.D. 1887: The Indians destroy some howitzers near Lahore... British troops take Astrakhan (Russian city) and 354 gold pieces. I loose some more soldiers...

(15)A.D. 1888: We sign a peace treaty with Russia. We kill many units defending Lahore but there seems to be millions of them... The Zulus contact us and we refuse to give them Adv. Flight.

(16)A.D. 1889: The Indians anihilate all my units near Lahore... My troops take Lahore and 203 gold pieces!! The Senate signs a cease fire with the Indians behind my back... I buy a cruise missile and some other goodies.

(17)A.D. 1890: Sneak attack by Zulu forces! Their ships bombard my Japanese cities and I order them to build coastal fortresses. We take the undefende zulu city of Tugela and plunder 178 gold pieces. Then we take Mpondo with 144 as a "gift" to me! hehe. A battleship of ours sink a caravel with 3 units aboard... :evilgrin: And thereafter we bomber Zimbabwe, the capital. I investigate Zimbabwe and discover that it is full of knights and cannons! Hmphrr! :evilgrin: Their best unit is the Cavalry unit! The spy then sabotages the walls of the city, but is captured afterwards. We destroy more units near Zimbabwe and 4 inside.

(18)A.D. 1891: The Indians develop miniaturization. Zulus develop leadership. The Zulus destroy all of our units near their cities... Never underestimate the power of Cannons... Our battleship destroys the last garrison of Zimbabwe. It is ours (and so is 185 pieces of gold)! The Zulus want to talk to us, and we sign a peace treaty. Some cities near India recieves some good units from my overseas transports.

(19)A.D. 1892: Sneak attack by Russian forces. They destroy one engineer. We take their last sibirian city, Sevastopol, and sign a peace treaty with them.

(20)A.D. 1893: Sneak attack by Russian forces. They retake Sevastopol, but they don't destry any important units. They steal Rocketry, though. British scientists discover Nuclear Power. "Combined Arms" is next. York builds Manhatten Project! We retake Sevastopol. The Seante signs a cease fire with the Russians behind my back. I buy two nukes in old Chinese cities.

NOTES: We have many units near India. Use them
I don't know if we should use nukes... Remember that the Russians can build tehm to...

We could change to Communism, to get rid of the "Senate".

We haven't gotten much gold, but we get alot every turn, so that shouln't be a problem.

Income: 1392 per turn.
- Costs: 458 per turn.
= Capita: 934 gold per turn.

Taxrate (Taxes, Science, Luxuries): 60%, 20%, 20%.

We're at PEACE with the French and Zulus.
We have CEASE FIRES with the Indians and Russians.

Tech breakthroughs every 7 turns.

[Andu Indorin]

Oops. Downloaded the file but was not able to open it; is it still a "Classic" game file???

[Belisarius]

Originally posted by Andu Indorin
Oops. Downloaded the file but was not able to open it; is it still a "Classic" game file???

Same problem here. I could open in Civ2 MPG but not in Civ2 Classic.

[hetairoi22]

Damn!

It's because my "classic" Civ2 didn't work so I installed FW... Ooops...

Can anything be done about this?

If not, then just play from the turn before me... and I'm out, cause my classic version doesn't work properly...

[Kev]

Uh oh.... Looks like we had some illegal bribing going on.

Oh well, I guess the next person could make a gift of military units if they want to even things out. Since the Greeks and Carthaginians have fallen from their respective parallel universes, I guess there's no one around to enforce any repercussions.

Best watch out for nukes now that we went ahead and built Manhattan Project.

We'll finish this game yet!!!!

[Andu Indorin]

Originally posted by hetairoi22
Damn!

It's because my "classic" Civ2 didn't work so I installed FW... Ooops...

Can anything be done about this?

If not, then just play from the turn before me... and I'm out, cause my classic version doesn't work properly...

I don't think anything can be done about it per se. ... If this is the case, I suppose that the next person in the rotation would be me. ...

Should I go ahead and play on from the end of Belisaurius's round (i.e., starting in 1874)???

[hetairoi22]

Yeah. Go ahead!

[Andu Indorin]

Will do. (A quick look at the map, and I think we can soon say goodbye to the French and the Indians).