My first PTW game

Praetorian · Feb 25, 2003, 10:50 AM

I started my first PTW sp game. I am playing Carthage

at Monarch level. But it is strange, it is +- 1000 AD and I am studying Economics. I have ALL possible wonders to this point except the Colossus. This seems too easy

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Feb 25, 2003, 10:59 AM

Praetorian: the trade is a lot more balanced in PTW (are you patched?), and if you get a good start.......

try Emperor!

planetfall · Feb 25, 2003, 11:03 AM

Praetorian,

Most seem to think PTW is slightly more difficult than civ3, but most of that is because 1) techs are traded more aggressively, 2) new civs are stronger, and 3) AI uses multi-armed attacks now. You don't say what level you were playing at before PTW. My experience is the change between civ3 and PTW is less than jumping a difficulty level.

== PF

Praetorian · Feb 25, 2003, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Praetorian: the trade is a lot more balanced in PTW (are you patched?), and if you get a good start.......

try Emperor!

Yes, I have installed the patch

Sancho Panza · Feb 25, 2003, 12:47 PM

How could you have all the first series of wonders? You would need 4-5 GOOD PRODUCTION cities simultaneously working on wonders to have even a chance of that.

Sheesh, in my monarch PTW game (as the Romans) I just great-leadered my first wonder of the game - Art of War! (Incidentally is it also ~1100 and I'm studying for Democracy)

morkaphi · Feb 25, 2003, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Praetorian
at Monarch level..... I have ALL possible wonders to this point except the Colossus. This seems too easy

Did you go to war like mad and got 10 Great Leaders already? That sounds like Aeson playing Chieftain, or the cheat mode is back?

Praetorian · Feb 26, 2003, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by morkaphi
Did you go to war like mad and got 10 Great Leaders already? That sounds like Aeson playing Chieftain, or the cheat mode is back?

Thats the sad thing about it NOBODY has declared war on me yet, no cheat mode

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Feb 26, 2003, 03:37 AM

Praetorian: then you must have an excellent start - or the AIs are so busy battling it out they drop everything but troop production. I often find this happeneing on pangaea maps.

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Feb 26, 2003, 03:41 AM

to give you an example of what that can mean:

note that it is already 410 AD - this is the Mongol homeland and most of their cities haven't even expanded yet! From the threee I took just now, only the capital had expanded.

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Feb 26, 2003, 03:49 AM

I should add that this is Emperor level.....

Tacit_Exit · Feb 26, 2003, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
. . . the AIs are so busy battling it out they drop everything but troop production. I often find this happeneing on pangaea maps.

Yup; totally agree.

You can often grab most/all of the wonders in this situation (I usually play Monarch), especially if you manage global tech such that AI pre-builds get wasted (eg:don't trade Construction out till AFTER the Great Library is finished).

Praetorian · Feb 26, 2003, 04:31 AM

It could be, I only have contact with three other civ ( playing in a continental map ) so what ever they are doing is oblivious to me

Shillen · Feb 26, 2003, 04:42 AM

Slightly off-topic, but I played a tiny map conquest game recently. I destroyed two civs except for one city each and started on the third. The two civ's I crippled shortly after started to build wonders in their only cities. There was even room to settle but they didn't bother building settlers. Really dumb AI.

I'm playing a regent game right now where the tech pace is really slow and I'm getting all the wonders very easily, even building them all in the same city. It's 1300 AD and I'm only up to gunpowder and every other civ just started the middle ages. They've been too busy warring.

I was in a major struggle with the Russians and I couldn't believe how many units they were sending at me. I had knights and they only had swords/pikes. I had twice as many cities, yet I barely was killing off their attackers and pillagers. When I did go on the offensive they had like 5 pikes in each city to defend so I suffered huge losses. I ended up having to switch every single city's production to knights just to be able to push them back, but even then it was really slow.

But basically that's why the tech pace is so slow and probably similar in your game. Building military units all the time not only uses up their production but they seem to keep building until they're making 0 gpt, which cuts into their research. And cuts into my research as well because I can't sell techs for gpt.

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Feb 26, 2003, 07:02 AM

interestingly, when I rushed Leonardos in one of these towns, it flipped right back the next turn.

chances? well, three foreigners, all entertainers, no overlap at all, they had zero culture, I had lots, even in that city I had reached 6 points.

Feb 25, 2003, 10:50 AM	#1
Praetorian I came I bought I played! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Where no mortal dares to tread!! Posts: 726	My first PTW game I started my first PTW sp game. I am playing Carthage at Monarch level. But it is strange, it is +- 1000 AD and I am studying Economics. I have ALL possible wonders to this point except the Colossus. This seems too easy

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Feb 25, 2003, 10:59 AM	#2
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	Praetorian: the trade is a lot more balanced in PTW (are you patched?), and if you get a good start....... try Emperor!

Feb 25, 2003, 11:03 AM	#3
planetfall Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,159	Praetorian, Most seem to think PTW is slightly more difficult than civ3, but most of that is because 1) techs are traded more aggressively, 2) new civs are stronger, and 3) AI uses multi-armed attacks now. You don't say what level you were playing at before PTW. My experience is the change between civ3 and PTW is less than jumping a difficulty level. == PF

Feb 25, 2003, 12:47 PM	#5
Sancho Panza Chieftain Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: KCMOUSA Posts: 17	How could you have all the first series of wonders? You would need 4-5 GOOD PRODUCTION cities simultaneously working on wonders to have even a chance of that. Sheesh, in my monarch PTW game (as the Romans) I just great-leadered my first wonder of the game - Art of War! (Incidentally is it also ~1100 and I'm studying for Democracy)

Feb 26, 2003, 03:37 AM	#8
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	Praetorian: then you must have an excellent start - or the AIs are so busy battling it out they drop everything but troop production. I often find this happeneing on pangaea maps.

Feb 26, 2003, 03:41 AM	#9
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	to give you an example of what that can mean: note that it is already 410 AD - this is the Mongol homeland and most of their cities haven't even expanded yet! From the threee I took just now, only the capital had expanded.

Feb 26, 2003, 03:49 AM	#10
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	I should add that this is Emperor level.....

Feb 26, 2003, 04:31 AM	#12
Praetorian I came I bought I played! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Where no mortal dares to tread!! Posts: 726	It could be, I only have contact with three other civ ( playing in a continental map ) so what ever they are doing is oblivious to me

Feb 26, 2003, 04:42 AM	#13
Shillen Deity Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 2,122	Slightly off-topic, but I played a tiny map conquest game recently. I destroyed two civs except for one city each and started on the third. The two civ's I crippled shortly after started to build wonders in their only cities. There was even room to settle but they didn't bother building settlers. Really dumb AI. I'm playing a regent game right now where the tech pace is really slow and I'm getting all the wonders very easily, even building them all in the same city. It's 1300 AD and I'm only up to gunpowder and every other civ just started the middle ages. They've been too busy warring. I was in a major struggle with the Russians and I couldn't believe how many units they were sending at me. I had knights and they only had swords/pikes. I had twice as many cities, yet I barely was killing off their attackers and pillagers. When I did go on the offensive they had like 5 pikes in each city to defend so I suffered huge losses. I ended up having to switch every single city's production to knights just to be able to push them back, but even then it was really slow. But basically that's why the tech pace is so slow and probably similar in your game. Building military units all the time not only uses up their production but they seem to keep building until they're making 0 gpt, which cuts into their research. And cuts into my research as well because I can't sell techs for gpt.

Feb 26, 2003, 07:02 AM	#14
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	interestingly, when I rushed Leonardos in one of these towns, it flipped right back the next turn. chances? well, three foreigners, all entertainers, no overlap at all, they had zero culture, I had lots, even in that city I had reached 6 points.

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