Tennessee bill would define holding hands and kiss as "gateway sexual activity"

useless · Apr 13, 2012, 07:32 AM

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MEMPHIS, TN -
(WMC-TV) - Tennessee senators approved an update to the state's abstinence-based sex education law that includes warnings against "gateway sexual activity."

In a new family life instructions bill, holding hands and kissing could be considered gateways to sex. Planned Parenthood said that allowing state government to define local sex education curriculum could backfire.

According to a 2009 Youth Risk Behavior Study, 61 percent of Memphis City high school students and 27 percent of middle school students have had sex. That's higher than the national average.

Planned Parenthood said these numbers are why a new sex education bill promoting abstinence is not realistic.

"If the state of Tennessee gets to create the curriculum, it has to create something that umbrella reflects everyone," said Planned Parenthood Director of Education Elokin CaPese.

Tennessee House Bill 3621 and Senate Bill 3310 are currently up for debate.

In the bill, a uniformed policy on sex education is defined with terms like "gateway sexual activity." Also listed are statewide instructions on how to teach family life curriculum.

"It's not detailed enough in a health-based way," said CaPese.

The bill prohibits teachers from demonstrating gateway sexual activity. CaPese said that would include health education models.

"It makes it very clear that you can't promote contraception," said CaPese.

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The bill goes before the House Education Committee next Tuesday.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/17353757/bill-would-define-holding-hands-kissing-as-gateway-sexual-activit y

...So yeah. "Gateway sexual activity" is apparently a thing now.

Come on Tennessee, I know that when your policies are failing in spite of your abstinence only educations, it's tempting to double your efforts instead of admitting that you can't keep teens from having sex.

What next now? segregating females? Making them wear "modest clothes" incase the sight of their bare flesh accidently arouses a male teen?

SS-18 ICBM · Apr 13, 2012, 07:37 AM

Damn, I wish JollyRoger started this thread. Think of the tags!

I don't think I'm reading it right. Are they banning said activity, just discouraging it, or just referring to it by the phrase "gateway sexual activity"? What exactly are they going to do?

civver_764 · Apr 13, 2012, 07:42 AM

They put it in the education curriculum so now kids are going to be taught that in school.

azzaman333 · Apr 13, 2012, 07:50 AM

Quackers · Apr 13, 2012, 07:51 AM

Ok so this state includes the phrase "gateway sexual activity" in it's curriculum, defines it as "kissing and holding hands" and as a part of it's abstinence education discourages it. What is so monsterous and evil here?!

Graffito · Apr 13, 2012, 07:53 AM

Chasity belts would seem to be the only answer... I'm surprised they have not thought of it

azzaman333 · Apr 13, 2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Quackers

Ok so this state includes the phrase "gateway sexual activity" in it's curriculum, defines it as "kissing and holding hands" and as a part of it's abstinence education discourages it. What is so monsterous and evil here?!

Because it's completely and utterly mindscrewingly ridiculous?

El_Machinae · Apr 13, 2012, 08:24 AM

I can attest that they are gateway sexual activities! I've never successfully bedded anyone without first (at least) kissing or holding hands ..,

Mr. Dictator · Apr 13, 2012, 08:27 AM

My state...

le sigh

warpus · Apr 13, 2012, 08:33 AM

What about a high five, where does that fit in? Is that a gateway hand-holding activity and thus a gateway sexual activity?

Patroklos · Apr 13, 2012, 08:36 AM

Wait, are any of you denying the kissing and holding hands is a gateway sexual activity, ie related to initiating a sexual relationship?

I realize this is a video game board, but surely some of you have interacted with women before...

Mr. Dictator · Apr 13, 2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by warpus

What about a high five, where does that fit in? Is that a gateway hand-holding activity and thus a gateway sexual activity?

Its a gateway to gateway sexual activity.

I've heard stories of good christian boys high-fiving their friends, then going home and arousing themselves to the palm-sweat of their friends. If we don't stop this, baby jesus gonna cry.

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Originally Posted by Patroklos

Wait, are any of you denying the kissing and holding hands is a gateway sexual activity, ie related to initiating a sexual relationship?

I realize this is a video game board, but surely some of you have interacted with women before...

Lets just go ahead and add laying in the grass for hours, staying up talking until 2 am, pina coladas, and getting caught in the rain to the list too.

holy king · Apr 13, 2012, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Patroklos

Wait, are any of you denying the kissing and holding hands is a gateway sexual activity, ie related to initiating a sexual relationship?

you dont really think this is a reasonable policy, do you?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Dictator

Lets just go ahead and add laying in the grass for hours, staying up talking until 2 am, pina coladas, and getting caught in the rain to the list too.

let's just teach them not to breathe, as breathing allows you to live and living allows you to kiss and kissing allows you to have sex.

breathing is a gateway sexual activity!

Skwink · Apr 13, 2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by warpus

What about a high five, where does that fit in? Is that a gateway hand-holding activity and thus a gateway sexual activity?

High fives are a gateway action to a bromance.

Tarquelne · Apr 13, 2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SS-18 ICBM

What exactly are they going to do?

Discouraging kids and teachers from discussing - let alone demonstrating - anything they think is a "gateway sexual activity." Teachers can be sued for deviating from the State approved curriculum.

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What next now? segregating females? Making them wear "modest clothes" incase the sight of their bare flesh accidently arouses a male teen?

That'd be logically consistent. But, really, do we think they'll want to push things further after they've achieved these rollbacks to social change? They weren't happy with 1950. Surely they'll be happy with 1890?

Maybe the idea is to keep the children as ill-informed and naive as possible? They harken after a simpler time, when sexually abused kids often had absolutely no idea what was happening to them, how they could talk about it, or whether or not it was even wrong.

Truronian · Apr 13, 2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Patroklos

Wait, are any of you denying the kissing and holding hands is a gateway sexual activity, ie related to initiating a sexual relationship?

I realize this is a video game board, but surely some of you have interacted with women before...

Generally not when you're twelve. My main concern about this bill is the implication that the next step after holding hands/kissing is sex. I don't think that's a message that sex education should be sending kids.

downtown · Apr 13, 2012, 09:32 AM

I don't think it is unreasonable to say that kissing can lead to sex. When you've got hormones flying around everywhere, I don't think it is unreasonable at all to ask kids to think very hard about where their "limit" is for physical activity, because if they don't know ahead of time, it can be very easy to skip over it during the heat of the moment.

Should schools be teaching kids to not kiss or hold hands? No. That's beyond stupid. Discussing "gateway sexual activities" as part of a complete sexual education program (not abstinence only) could be totally healthy I think. As constructed, it sounds stupid.

warpus · Apr 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

It discourages intimate and even not-really-so-intimate human contact, which is healthy (the contact that is).

Teaching kids that kissing is "bad" in any way is just a horrible idea. Teach them the facts, they'll be better off for it.

Formaldehyde · Apr 13, 2012, 10:34 AM

They do have a point. There is likely hand-holding and kissing which do occur prior to the big moment.

Of course, they also typically listen to popular music and watch music videos on TV, wear attractive clothing, play video games with adult male and female characters, watch TV shows with implicit sexual activity, and reside in the same basic area.

Perhaps Tennessee should consider enacting laws restricting much of these activities. They could even cut the state in half and force the male children to live on one side and the females on the other. No minors could cross that line under any circumstances unless accompanied by a state-approved and duly licensed gun-carrying adult chaperon wearing specially marked clothing. No child of the opposite sex could come within 50 feet of that person and the chaperon under penalty of law.

Crezth · Apr 13, 2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Formaldehyde

They do have a point. There is likely hand-holding and kissing which do occur.

Of course, they are also typically isten to popular music and watch music videos on TV, wear attractive clothing, play video games, and reside in the same basic area. Perhaps Tennessee should consider enacting laws restricting much of these activities which cut the state in half and forced the male children to live on one side and the females on the other. No minors could cross that line under any circumstances unless accompanied by a state-approved and duly licensed gun-carrying adult chaperon wearing specially marked clothing. No child of the same sex could come within 50 feet of that person and the chaperon under penalty of law.

Yeah, the Tennessee law reminds me more like something out of Gilead.

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Quackers Mephistophel Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bellinzona Posts: 8,349	Ok so this state includes the phrase "gateway sexual activity" in it's curriculum, defines it as "kissing and holding hands" and as a part of it's abstinence education discourages it. What is so monsterous and evil here?! __________________ One thing we are good at in English is having words for ways to die.-Neil deGrasse Tyson, on 'spaghettification' Looking at the poster again, I also like the way that the baby is cocking its head and looking away from the doctor, as if to show that this not merely a skeletal Moai-baby, it's a particularly aloof and disinterested skeletal Moai-baby.-Traitorfish

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Patroklos Deity Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,480	Wait, are any of you denying the kissing and holding hands is a gateway sexual activity, ie related to initiating a sexual relationship? I realize this is a video game board, but surely some of you have interacted with women before...

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downtown Rosy-Cheeked Assassin Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sweet Home Chicago Posts: 17,659	I don't think it is unreasonable to say that kissing can lead to sex. When you've got hormones flying around everywhere, I don't think it is unreasonable at all to ask kids to think very hard about where their "limit" is for physical activity, because if they don't know ahead of time, it can be very easy to skip over it during the heat of the moment. Should schools be teaching kids to not kiss or hold hands? No. That's beyond stupid. Discussing "gateway sexual activities" as part of a complete sexual education program (not abstinence only) could be totally healthy I think. As constructed, it sounds stupid.

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Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA #1 Posts: 25,008	They do have a point. There is likely hand-holding and kissing which do occur prior to the big moment. Of course, they also typically listen to popular music and watch music videos on TV, wear attractive clothing, play video games with adult male and female characters, watch TV shows with implicit sexual activity, and reside in the same basic area. Perhaps Tennessee should consider enacting laws restricting much of these activities. They could even cut the state in half and force the male children to live on one side and the females on the other. No minors could cross that line under any circumstances unless accompanied by a state-approved and duly licensed gun-carrying adult chaperon wearing specially marked clothing. No child of the opposite sex could come within 50 feet of that person and the chaperon under penalty of law. __________________ But stop pretending that background checks are the last barrier standing between a free America and Obama sponsored government mom rape. Jon Stewart I have heard very few bad things about him as a human being other than his views. Joe Biden As a friend of mine from Texas said, he will believe corporations are people just as soon as Texas executes one. Bill Moyers Last edited by Formaldehyde; Apr 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM.

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