Rise of Rome Scenario: Carthage

Vaney168 · May 31, 2012, 12:34 PM

Hello Everyone

I recently tried the Rise of Rome scenario and would like to know which Civ other people use and there strategies. I’m playing as the Carthaginians right now, I don’t think Ill be able to win this match so I would like to know what other people generally try to do, should I from the start focus on attacking on the Island in the middle (Sicily) and kick the Romans off from there or should I ignore that Island colonize Spain and attack the Egyptians instead? I typically try to settle in Spain but I get pounded pretty hard by the Legions and the Celts usually ally against me which makes me wonder if settling In Africa and Attacking Egypt and Persia is a better way to win. Any thoughts?

Cyc · May 31, 2012, 01:21 PM

I'd be of no help. I play as Persia. And it's still a long road to victory.

Vaney168 · May 31, 2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyc

I'd be of no help. I play as Persia. And it's still a long road to victory.

That’s okay, how do you play as Persia, are you fairing okay? I never really tried a full game with them yet. There capital is in such a horrible spot, (I think its Persepolis) I tend to disband that city and move it to Antioch to centralize it within the Persian Empire. To bad the Greeks are next door

Cyc · May 31, 2012, 01:47 PM

The greeks are next door to the Romans also.

I never disband Persepolis. The great Game of Democracy was played with us as the Persians. It would be sacrilege to disband their capital. I tough it out.

I've won as Rome, but that was a long time ago. I remember liking the fact that the Legionaries could build roads, PLUS you could upgrade them. Good game.

Cyc · May 31, 2012, 01:55 PM

To play Persia, you have to hook up all the lux's as soon as possible. Build a road up to the Greeks and a road on the East side of the Mountains to the Mongols. Irrigate like crazy. And get to your mounted Cavs quickly. Egypt will take loads of troops across your lands when they are at war with others. Then they will attack you. There's no way out of this, unless you keep them off your land. The Mongols will do they same. I block the Mongols early and keep the Egyptians out until I can take them out. Once you get your flanks taken care of, it's all Greece.

RickFGS · May 31, 2012, 03:14 PM

To win as Carthage you first need to play defensively, get all troops from the Africa to Carthage, and then ship asap 4 numidians to Aleria and 4 num´s to Corsica, you can get more in Spain if you play your cards right, think of ship chain´s when playing Carth, the sea is your highway.

Create army with Hannibal and get a Mercs inside him to protect Sicilly asap. After defeating the inital roman legions landing in Aleria, then Sicilly and then Sardinia, you need to block them from future landings, use warriors for this or galleys.

Connect Ivory in Leptis Magna asap. Research Astronomy as first tech, build as many Spearmen as you can before connection Ivory, after that just upgrade them to Num Mercs, build walls in Sicilly, Aleria and Sardinia.

Send an archer in Spain to meet Celts, buy embassy, make an military alliance versus the Romans.
Make an military alliance with everyone you can. Sell techs as you research them for big bucks, get Golden Age after War Elephants, focus on War Elephants builds, they are great units and have one extra health bar.

Settle north of Africa, settle the hill south of Carthage to use as an water channel to irrigate Lybia. Build an aqueduct in Carthage as soon as you can.

Milk the AI every turn for gold, selling maps and other stuff you have.

Vaney168 · May 31, 2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RickFGS

To win as Carthage you first need to play defensively, get all troops from the Africa to Carthage, and then ship asap 4 numidians to Aleria and 4 num´s to Corsica, you can get more in Spain if you play your cards right, think of ship chain´s when playing Carth, the sea is your highway.

Create army with Hannibal and get a Mercs inside him to protect Sicilly asap. After defeating the inital roman legions landing in Aleria, then Sicilly and then Sardinia, you need to block them from future landings, use warriors for this or galleys.

Connect Ivory in Leptis Magna asap. Research Astronomy as first tech, build as many Spearmen as you can before connection Ivory, after that just upgrade them to Num Mercs, build walls in Sicilly, Aleria and Sardinia.

Send an archer in Spain to meet Celts, buy embassy, make an military alliance versus the Romans.
Make an military alliance with everyone you can. Sell techs as you research them for big bucks, get Golden Age after War Elephants, focus on War Elephants builds, they are great units and have one extra health bar.

Settle north of Africa, settle the hill south of Carthage to use as an water channel to irrigate Lybia. Build an aqueduct in Carthage as soon as you can.

Milk the AI every turn for gold, selling maps and other stuff you have.

The Romans tend to go on the offensive right away and try to take Sicily, should I try to attack Messina with an army loaded with Numidian Mercenaries? I’m afraid of losing the army (I’m trying to play the game without restarting) since the legions have a strong defence. I should see if I can get the Celts and the Greeks to ally vs Rome but they tend to have me get into an alliance vs Persia also. There is a luxury in Northern Africa, Dyes I think I should probably go for that as well before the Egyptians take it. I have to decide what wonder I want to build, Im thinking of the Temple of Artimis but can’t decide which city I would want to build it in, Carthago seems like the obvious choice but I might want to use it to pump out some swordsmen first any other good city for this? One other question, which hill do you mean exactly?

Spoiler:

Option 1: Looks like it might interfer with Carthago's Production because its so close to the City, I really want to keep the Cities production up for pumping out as many swordsman as I can, or does it not matter? It could make a good core city..

Option 2: Is better than Option 1 by the looks of it but is still going to overlap into Carthago's space however I do like the terrain that lies within the city zone, if I was to build there

Option 3: Looks like it might overlap slightly into Carthago's and Thenae's City zone but looks like an alright spot to build, but I dont really like that most of the terrain within the zone is plains.

By the looks of it, im guessing Option 1 or 2 is the better on for making a core city

Vaney168 · Jun 01, 2012, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyc

To play Persia, you have to hook up all the lux's as soon as possible. Build a road up to the Greeks and a road on the East side of the Mountains to the Mongols. Irrigate like crazy. And get to your mounted Cavs quickly. Egypt will take loads of troops across your lands when they are at war with others. Then they will attack you. There's no way out of this, unless you keep them off your land. The Mongols will do they same. I block the Mongols early and keep the Egyptians out until I can take them out. Once you get your flanks taken care of, it's all Greece.

There are roads that go up to the Greek cities in Asia Minor, I dont think I'd want to have a worker building roads there but up to the mongols should be fine, Immortals are a pretty good unit they pack a punch against the Hoplites although the Greeks dont go down to easy, would going for Byzantium first being the Persians be a good idea? its the chock point so that way they can't protect there cities in Asia minor. By far out of the 4 playable civs I think Persia is the easiest and the Greeks the hardest

Anyways I have begun with my conquest for the Island of Sicily but am getting bogged down with the Romans constantly shipping over Legions, what should I do? I want to end this as quick as I can without losing my army or a city

Spoiler:

Elephantium · Jun 07, 2012, 02:30 PM

Don't build a lot of Spears or Numidians -- you only need about half a dozen in Sicily to absorb some attacks. Focus on building Swords, Horsemen, and 6-12 Catapults. When the AI lands its troops, bombard them with your catapults, then attack with your swords/horses -- you should be able to take them out with minimal losses.

In the meantime, keep building cities in Spain and set the new citizens to be taxmen. You'll also want to build up a few more cities in Carthage -- more production there will allow you to conquer Rome.

Vaney168 · Jun 08, 2012, 07:27 AM

I don't know about building in Spain, along time ago when I was Carthage and tried building cities in Spain the Romans came with a barrage of Legionary III from Italy and captures multiple cities that where far outstretched from my reach, I couldn't send heavy cavalry in time, If I do build in Spain what can I do to counter that from happening just have more defense? Spearman and Numbian Mercenaries stand no chance against Legionary III. Plus how many cities do I need for production around Carthago?

Elephantium · Jun 08, 2012, 08:41 AM

Build 4-5 more cities in N. Africa. Try to optimize them so that all your cities there can (quickly) grow to size 12.

For Spain, build up a defensive force before you start building cities there. A second army similar to what you do for Sicily should keep your cities safe -- send them to the border between France and Spain (aka Gaul and Iberia), build a border town there and rush Walls, Temple, and Barracks. When the Legions come rolling in, your culture borders will stop them, allowing you to catapult-bombard and destroy them with your offensive units.

With the border secure, you can build lots of tax towns all over Iberia!

Vaney168 · Jun 10, 2012, 07:20 AM

I have done as you said, I build 2 cities near the Spanish/French border and pilled catepults in which are bombarding the legions, I don't have an army there yet as I only have the original one I started with, Hannibal which I used to defeat Egypt and now have it at the chock point near the Persian border because their attacking me with piles on Immortals and heavy cavalry. The Greeks also teamed up with the Romans and keep landing Hoplites near Carthago and keep destroying improvements, reason is I have all the Islands blocked off with warriors

Should I attack the Greeks next?

Elephantium · Jun 11, 2012, 08:38 AM

Oh, I didn't mean Army as in Hannibal, I meant army as in "have a half dozen units there to take care of the Legions."

As for Greece, talk to them ASAP and sign a Military Alliance against Rome -- that will put a bit more pressure on them. Likewise with Persia -- that will reduce the pressure on your Egyptian holdings.

Coastal blocking on the islands is not a bad plan, but even better is keeping a half dozen units who can kill the AI's landing forces. Hit 'em with a few Catapults, then move in the War Elephants or Heavy Cavalry. You're more likely to get Leaders that way

Vaney168 · Jun 11, 2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephantium

Oh, I didn't mean Army as in Hannibal, I meant army as in "have a half dozen units there to take care of the Legions."

As for Greece, talk to them ASAP and sign a Military Alliance against Rome -- that will put a bit more pressure on them. Likewise with Persia -- that will reduce the pressure on your Egyptian holdings.

Coastal blocking on the islands is not a bad plan, but even better is keeping a half dozen units who can kill the AI's landing forces. Hit 'em with a few Catapults, then move in the War Elephants or Heavy Cavalry. You're more likely to get Leaders that way

Okay thats what you ment, well the cities in my Spanish and French border are holding out for now but there are more legions on they way, maybe I should consider getting the Celts to declare war on the Romans. I managed to get the Persians to sign a peace treaty but the Greeks are another story, they will talk but are demanding 700 gold out of my 900 gold I have so far and want Imperialism, Siege craft and Alexandria for peace, I can't get it changed around in any way without offering one of my cities and the closest I get is "We are getting close to a deal" I’m not about to give up my Egyptian cities I just captured but I don't know there are piles of Greek galley’s on my door step with what I think units pilled inside.

I might consider freeing up a coastal tile to stop the attacks near Carthago but I'll need to build up my army in Sicily first before I do that

May 31, 2012, 12:34 PM	#1
Vaney168 Warlord Join Date: May 2012 Location: Backyard Posts: 125	Rise of Rome Scenario: Carthage Hello Everyone I recently tried the Rise of Rome scenario and would like to know which Civ other people use and there strategies. I’m playing as the Carthaginians right now, I don’t think Ill be able to win this match so I would like to know what other people generally try to do, should I from the start focus on attacking on the Island in the middle (Sicily) and kick the Romans off from there or should I ignore that Island colonize Spain and attack the Egyptians instead? I typically try to settle in Spain but I get pounded pretty hard by the Legions and the Celts usually ally against me which makes me wonder if settling In Africa and Attacking Egypt and Persia is a better way to win. Any thoughts? Last edited by Vaney168; Jun 06, 2012 at 10:56 AM.

May 31, 2012, 01:21 PM	#2
Cyc Looking for the door... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Behind you Posts: 14,735	I'd be of no help. I play as Persia. And it's still a long road to victory. __________________ There is a town in north Ontario, With dream comfort memory to spare, And in my mind I still need a place to go, All my changes were there. Blue, blue windows behind the stars, Yellow moon on the rise, Big birds flying across the sky, Throwing shadows on our eyes.

May 31, 2012, 01:47 PM	#4
Cyc Looking for the door... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Behind you Posts: 14,735	The greeks are next door to the Romans also. I never disband Persepolis. The great Game of Democracy was played with us as the Persians. It would be sacrilege to disband their capital. I tough it out. I've won as Rome, but that was a long time ago. I remember liking the fact that the Legionaries could build roads, PLUS you could upgrade them. Good game. __________________ There is a town in north Ontario, With dream comfort memory to spare, And in my mind I still need a place to go, All my changes were there. Blue, blue windows behind the stars, Yellow moon on the rise, Big birds flying across the sky, Throwing shadows on our eyes.

May 31, 2012, 01:55 PM	#5
Cyc Looking for the door... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Behind you Posts: 14,735	To play Persia, you have to hook up all the lux's as soon as possible. Build a road up to the Greeks and a road on the East side of the Mountains to the Mongols. Irrigate like crazy. And get to your mounted Cavs quickly. Egypt will take loads of troops across your lands when they are at war with others. Then they will attack you. There's no way out of this, unless you keep them off your land. The Mongols will do they same. I block the Mongols early and keep the Egyptians out until I can take them out. Once you get your flanks taken care of, it's all Greece. __________________ There is a town in north Ontario, With dream comfort memory to spare, And in my mind I still need a place to go, All my changes were there. Blue, blue windows behind the stars, Yellow moon on the rise, Big birds flying across the sky, Throwing shadows on our eyes.

May 31, 2012, 03:14 PM	#6
RickFGS Deity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lisboa, Portugal Posts: 2,153	To win as Carthage you first need to play defensively, get all troops from the Africa to Carthage, and then ship asap 4 numidians to Aleria and 4 num´s to Corsica, you can get more in Spain if you play your cards right, think of ship chain´s when playing Carth, the sea is your highway. Create army with Hannibal and get a Mercs inside him to protect Sicilly asap. After defeating the inital roman legions landing in Aleria, then Sicilly and then Sardinia, you need to block them from future landings, use warriors for this or galleys. Connect Ivory in Leptis Magna asap. Research Astronomy as first tech, build as many Spearmen as you can before connection Ivory, after that just upgrade them to Num Mercs, build walls in Sicilly, Aleria and Sardinia. Send an archer in Spain to meet Celts, buy embassy, make an military alliance versus the Romans. Make an military alliance with everyone you can. Sell techs as you research them for big bucks, get Golden Age after War Elephants, focus on War Elephants builds, they are great units and have one extra health bar. Settle north of Africa, settle the hill south of Carthage to use as an water channel to irrigate Lybia. Build an aqueduct in Carthage as soon as you can. Milk the AI every turn for gold, selling maps and other stuff you have. __________________ Fall seven times, get up eight. -=<\| Rick´s Battleground \|>=-

Jun 07, 2012, 02:30 PM	#9
Elephantium In the Serengeti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 3,665	Don't build a lot of Spears or Numidians -- you only need about half a dozen in Sicily to absorb some attacks. Focus on building Swords, Horsemen, and 6-12 Catapults. When the AI lands its troops, bombard them with your catapults, then attack with your swords/horses -- you should be able to take them out with minimal losses. In the meantime, keep building cities in Spain and set the new citizens to be taxmen. You'll also want to build up a few more cities in Carthage -- more production there will allow you to conquer Rome.

Jun 08, 2012, 07:27 AM	#10
Vaney168 Warlord Join Date: May 2012 Location: Backyard Posts: 125	I don't know about building in Spain, along time ago when I was Carthage and tried building cities in Spain the Romans came with a barrage of Legionary III from Italy and captures multiple cities that where far outstretched from my reach, I couldn't send heavy cavalry in time, If I do build in Spain what can I do to counter that from happening just have more defense? Spearman and Numbian Mercenaries stand no chance against Legionary III. Plus how many cities do I need for production around Carthago?

Jun 08, 2012, 08:41 AM	#11
Elephantium In the Serengeti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 3,665	Build 4-5 more cities in N. Africa. Try to optimize them so that all your cities there can (quickly) grow to size 12. For Spain, build up a defensive force before you start building cities there. A second army similar to what you do for Sicily should keep your cities safe -- send them to the border between France and Spain (aka Gaul and Iberia), build a border town there and rush Walls, Temple, and Barracks. When the Legions come rolling in, your culture borders will stop them, allowing you to catapult-bombard and destroy them with your offensive units. With the border secure, you can build lots of tax towns all over Iberia!

Jun 10, 2012, 07:20 AM	#12
Vaney168 Warlord Join Date: May 2012 Location: Backyard Posts: 125	I have done as you said, I build 2 cities near the Spanish/French border and pilled catepults in which are bombarding the legions, I don't have an army there yet as I only have the original one I started with, Hannibal which I used to defeat Egypt and now have it at the chock point near the Persian border because their attacking me with piles on Immortals and heavy cavalry. The Greeks also teamed up with the Romans and keep landing Hoplites near Carthago and keep destroying improvements, reason is I have all the Islands blocked off with warriors Should I attack the Greeks next?

Jun 11, 2012, 08:38 AM	#13
Elephantium In the Serengeti Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 3,665	Oh, I didn't mean Army as in Hannibal, I meant army as in "have a half dozen units there to take care of the Legions." As for Greece, talk to them ASAP and sign a Military Alliance against Rome -- that will put a bit more pressure on them. Likewise with Persia -- that will reduce the pressure on your Egyptian holdings. Coastal blocking on the islands is not a bad plan, but even better is keeping a half dozen units who can kill the AI's landing forces. Hit 'em with a few Catapults, then move in the War Elephants or Heavy Cavalry. You're more likely to get Leaders that way

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