Arms Trading

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 12:34 PM

For the world 2003 scenario we have added new recources which are invisible but represent arms contracts. This means you can say for instance give Israel contracts to build the Apache helicopter if you are the US. This means to make an Apache the recource u need is this contract. This makes the scenario fit in with modern military world. This means country's such as Russia etc can make its money by selling its tanks. This is a revolutionary idea. First thought by me and worked out by Maciek. This should change the way we look at scenario making and changes the outlook of civ3. This makes the possibility say in a world war 2 scenario for the UK to supply Russia with arms etc.

Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 12:37 PM

Interesting, but if each country only has one resource they wont sell it, if they have two it does´nt really matter. Or did I misunderstand something?

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 12:38 PM

Ok, the US for instance has about 7 contracts for abrams, 5 contracts for apache. They have enough recources to sell. This makes money come through for nations. did that explain it?

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 12:41 PM

Also only the US has contracts for things whitch are made by the US such as the Apache. This has been tested and it works, Country's wanna buy them and when they do they can thus make that unit.

Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 12:46 PM

ok i see, but the country arent really selling the units, they are just selling a resource. I dont really see the difference between that, and selling Iron if you were the only civ to have it. Its a good way to use resources though.

Colonel Kraken · May 01, 2003, 12:48 PM

What an ingenious idea! Very cool! Good work.

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 12:49 PM

Well the thing is this is a specific recource for a specific unit. You dont have the recource u dont have the unit. I think its accurate enough. As the scenario is in weeks.

Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by _Impreza_
Well the thing is this is a specific recource for a specific unit. You dont have the recource u dont have the unit. I think its accurate enough. As the scenario is in weeks.

Sure its a good idea, and it will contribute to the scenarios gameplay, I just dont think its a revolutionary idea, but thats just my point of view

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 12:59 PM

Well not revolutionary for Medievil Scenarios. Its a different way of looking at world war 2 and modern day scenarios though.

Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by _Impreza_
Well not revolutionary for Medievil Scenarios. Its a different way of looking at world war 2 and modern day scenarios though.

Medieval scenarios? I just used swordsman as an example, it could have been Infantry to. Though this discussion is getting pointless.

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 01:03 PM

Very, to=too? anyways its a cool idea.

Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 01:08 PM

Yes its a cool idea. And sorry I will never figure out when to use too and to, but thats just me

_Impreza_ · May 01, 2003, 01:11 PM

its revolutionary in The World 2003 scenario,

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Yoda Power · May 01, 2003, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by _Impreza_
its revolutionary in The World 2003 scenario, .

ok lol, this is a very revolutionary idea

Naval Power · May 01, 2003, 02:25 PM

That could be nice I still dont get it quite yet but I'm working on understanding.

(My 100th post YAY)

gael · May 01, 2003, 02:49 PM

I was going to use the same idea for a mod to recruit mercenaries, but i was just going to tag the units to a resourse that one kingdom had a lot off and no other had. Other choice civs had the unit as buildable, but need to trade the resourse to build the units.

Same principle, although I like the idea of naming the resource contracts for specific units.

alireza1354 · May 01, 2003, 03:02 PM

I really think its revolutionary

Ukas · May 01, 2003, 03:31 PM

Me too thinks it's revolutionary - very useful in ww2 and post ww2 scenarios like you said.

embryodead · May 01, 2003, 03:47 PM

You have my vote too - it is revolutionary idea, very good too. For modern day scenarios it is even more realistic than direct unit trading.

Neomega · May 02, 2003, 02:44 AM

Unit factories as resources have been discussed before, to try and make bombing of factories a legitimate strategic attack in WW II mods.

How do you propose making the resources "invisible"? Or do you want to just guive a handicap to the human player?

There are a plethora of ideas out there as to units, buildings etc... the trick is trying to get the Ai to use them correctly. I would suggest you go with the apache factories for your 2003 scenario, especially since it is going to be a pre-made map anyways.

May 01, 2003, 12:34 PM	#1
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Arms Trading For the world 2003 scenario we have added new recources which are invisible but represent arms contracts. This means you can say for instance give Israel contracts to build the Apache helicopter if you are the US. This means to make an Apache the recource u need is this contract. This makes the scenario fit in with modern military world. This means country's such as Russia etc can make its money by selling its tanks. This is a revolutionary idea. First thought by me and worked out by Maciek. This should change the way we look at scenario making and changes the outlook of civ3. This makes the possibility say in a world war 2 scenario for the UK to supply Russia with arms etc.

May 01, 2003, 12:37 PM	#2
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,292 Images: 16	Interesting, but if each country only has one resource they wont sell it, if they have two it does´nt really matter. Or did I misunderstand something? __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

May 01, 2003, 12:46 PM	#5
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,292 Images: 16	ok i see, but the country arent really selling the units, they are just selling a resource. I dont really see the difference between that, and selling Iron if you were the only civ to have it. Its a good way to use resources though. __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

May 01, 2003, 01:08 PM	#12
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,292 Images: 16	Yes its a cool idea. And sorry I will never figure out when to use too and to, but thats just me __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

May 01, 2003, 02:25 PM	#15
Naval Power Sailing the Seven Seas Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 556	That could be nice I still dont get it quite yet but I'm working on understanding. (My 100th post YAY) __________________ "This accession of territory affirms forever the power of the United States, and I have given England a maritime rival who sooner or later will humble her pride." Napoleon Bonaparte

May 01, 2003, 12:38 PM	#3
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Ok, the US for instance has about 7 contracts for abrams, 5 contracts for apache. They have enough recources to sell. This makes money come through for nations. did that explain it?

May 01, 2003, 12:41 PM	#4
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Also only the US has contracts for things whitch are made by the US such as the Apache. This has been tested and it works, Country's wanna buy them and when they do they can thus make that unit.

May 01, 2003, 12:48 PM	#6
Colonel Kraken Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2,451	What an ingenious idea! Very cool! Good work.

May 01, 2003, 12:49 PM	#7
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Well the thing is this is a specific recource for a specific unit. You dont have the recource u dont have the unit. I think its accurate enough. As the scenario is in weeks.

May 01, 2003, 12:59 PM	#9
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Well not revolutionary for Medievil Scenarios. Its a different way of looking at world war 2 and modern day scenarios though.

May 01, 2003, 01:03 PM	#11
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	Very, to=too? anyways its a cool idea.

May 01, 2003, 01:11 PM	#13
_Impreza_ King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 728	its revolutionary in The World 2003 scenario, .

May 01, 2003, 02:49 PM	#16
gael Ard Ri Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,394	I was going to use the same idea for a mod to recruit mercenaries, but i was just going to tag the units to a resourse that one kingdom had a lot off and no other had. Other choice civs had the unit as buildable, but need to trade the resourse to build the units. Same principle, although I like the idea of naming the resource contracts for specific units. __________________ When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. 3D Euro leaderheads with pdescobar. [Suraman LOTR leaderhead: Animated.

May 01, 2003, 03:02 PM	#17
alireza1354 King Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 946	I really think its revolutionary

May 01, 2003, 03:31 PM	#18
Ukas Pthooey of Tomainia Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 1,439	Me too thinks it's revolutionary - very useful in ww2 and post ww2 scenarios like you said.

May 01, 2003, 03:47 PM	#19
embryodead Caliph Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: basement Posts: 5,126 Images: 25	You have my vote too - it is revolutionary idea, very good too. For modern day scenarios it is even more realistic than direct unit trading.

May 02, 2003, 02:44 AM	#20
Neomega Deity Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11,261	Unit factories as resources have been discussed before, to try and make bombing of factories a legitimate strategic attack in WW II mods. How do you propose making the resources "invisible"? Or do you want to just guive a handicap to the human player? There are a plethora of ideas out there as to units, buildings etc... the trick is trying to get the Ai to use them correctly. I would suggest you go with the apache factories for your 2003 scenario, especially since it is going to be a pre-made map anyways.

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