Poll: Build queue

eyrei · May 05, 2003, 11:05 AM

What should the build queue be for our first city for the next few turns? This is an informational poll, and will remain open until the beginning of the next turn chat.

Rik Meleet · May 05, 2003, 12:17 PM

We need warriors and settlers, that's clear. We also need a granary; we are surrounded with plains and need to grow. A granary will help in that. Barracks are not so useful yet; no Barb activity and no AI close, so it seems.

Peri · May 05, 2003, 05:27 PM

Donsig makes an excellent case for our next build queue and I urge you all to read it before voting

The granary is essential at this early stage to increase our rate of growth and production. By having a granary built next, we will be able to produce more of the things you want and more quickly too.

Posted by Donsig

The first settler will be complete in 8 turns. Since the capital will grow just before that it will basically take 20 turns to produce a second settler because that's how long it will take for the capital to grow back to size 3. If a granary is queued up right after the first settler it will take 16 turns to build and settler number 2 would take 6 more turns. Building a granary between the two settlers merely delays the second settler by 2 turns.
Which is more useful, an early granary or 3 more warriors or a warrior and a barracks? Well, once the granary is in place the capital could crank out a warrior and settler pair every ten turns. Even if the settler producing responsibility is diverted away from the capital the early granary would allow the capital to produce many more shields for warriors, barracks, spearmen, workers, etc. Assuming the plains could be irrigated fast enough and no entertainers would be needed, allowing the capital to grow unhindered to size 7 without a granary would take 60 turns. During that time the capital would produce 380 shields. On the other hand, if the capital had a granary at size 1 it would grow to size 9 in 60 turns and would produce 540 shields along the way. That's 160 more shields, a production boost of over 40%.

Goonie · May 06, 2003, 06:14 AM

I fully support Mr.Donsig's argument. He isn't your usual blond.

EDIT: Therefore, I cannot vote on this poll, as the option I like is not present.

Shaitan · May 06, 2003, 07:57 AM

My option isn't here either. Except for the current settler I don't see a pressing need for the capital to produce any more. A city founded in the southwest will produce settlers faster than the capital as it will have more efficient growth.

eyrei · May 06, 2003, 09:03 AM

This poll was really only to determine whether to produce a barracks or granary early on. The number of settlers is another poll entirely.

Shaitan · May 06, 2003, 10:36 AM

Count my abstain as a granary then.

Chieftess · May 06, 2003, 01:04 PM

Warriors, settlers, granary, provided that the granary is first...

amirsan · May 06, 2003, 02:12 PM

Mine is abstain because I have a totally different Idea that puts the Granary and the Barracks in the que. You can find it in the original thread for this discussion in the Citizens Forum.

donsig · May 06, 2003, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eyrei
This poll was really only to determine whether to produce a barracks or granary early on. The number of settlers is another poll entirely.

Just for the record, if the poll question had been:

Should we build a barracks in the capital before building a granary there?

I would have voted *No*.

naervod · May 06, 2003, 05:30 PM

Shai- I accidentally voted for warriors and settlers, can you change that to warriors, settlers, and granary?

Otherwise, it should be -1 for option 1 and +1 for option 3

Shaitan · May 06, 2003, 08:04 PM

Sorry naervod, we never alter poll results. I believe you and eyrei can take your statement into consideration when he analyzes the results of the poll but changing ballots opens up a huge can of worms.

Bootstoots · May 08, 2003, 05:25 PM

I personally voted for warriors and settlers only.
Three more to go!

View Poll Results: What build queue should we use for the capital?
warriors and settlers only	3	11.54%
warriors, settlers, and a barracks	5	19.23%
warriors, settlers, and a granary	15	57.69%
abstain	3	11.54%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

May 05, 2003, 11:05 AM	#1
eyrei Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cary, NC USA Posts: 9,044	Poll: Build queue What should the build queue be for our first city for the next few turns? This is an informational poll, and will remain open until the beginning of the next turn chat. __________________ Really don't mind if you sit this one out.My words but a whisper-your deafness a SHOUT.I may make you feel but I can't make you think.Your sperm's in the gutter-your love's in the sink.So you ride yourselves over the fields and you make all your animal deals and your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in the tidal destruction/the moral melee.The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers the newfangled way.But your new shoes are worn at the heels and your suntan does rapidly peel and your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick. - Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick"

May 05, 2003, 12:17 PM	#2
Rik Meleet Top predator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nijmegen Netherlands Posts: 11,737	We need warriors and settlers, that's clear. We also need a granary; we are surrounded with plains and need to grow. A granary will help in that. Barracks are not so useful yet; no Barb activity and no AI close, so it seems. __________________ Social life ? Sounds like fun !! Where can I download that ? This is me and this photo of me was taken February 3rd 2004 You think is fun? Then I know you're going to love the Multi-Team Demogame 2. Join by signing up in the sign up thread. Team Babe, Team The Council, Team Saber, Team Free and Team Gong await you...

May 06, 2003, 09:03 AM	#6
eyrei Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cary, NC USA Posts: 9,044	This poll was really only to determine whether to produce a barracks or granary early on. The number of settlers is another poll entirely. __________________ Really don't mind if you sit this one out.My words but a whisper-your deafness a SHOUT.I may make you feel but I can't make you think.Your sperm's in the gutter-your love's in the sink.So you ride yourselves over the fields and you make all your animal deals and your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.And the sand-castle virtues are all swept away in the tidal destruction/the moral melee.The elastic retreat rings the close of play as the last wave uncovers the newfangled way.But your new shoes are worn at the heels and your suntan does rapidly peel and your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick. - Jethro Tull "Thick as a Brick"

May 06, 2003, 01:04 PM	#8
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May 05, 2003, 05:27 PM	#3
Peri Vote early and vote often Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,261	Donsig makes an excellent case for our next build queue and I urge you all to read it before voting The granary is essential at this early stage to increase our rate of growth and production. By having a granary built next, we will be able to produce more of the things you want and more quickly too. Posted by Donsig The first settler will be complete in 8 turns. Since the capital will grow just before that it will basically take 20 turns to produce a second settler because that's how long it will take for the capital to grow back to size 3. If a granary is queued up right after the first settler it will take 16 turns to build and settler number 2 would take 6 more turns. Building a granary between the two settlers merely delays the second settler by 2 turns. Which is more useful, an early granary or 3 more warriors or a warrior and a barracks? Well, once the granary is in place the capital could crank out a warrior and settler pair every ten turns. Even if the settler producing responsibility is diverted away from the capital the early granary would allow the capital to produce many more shields for warriors, barracks, spearmen, workers, etc. Assuming the plains could be irrigated fast enough and no entertainers would be needed, allowing the capital to grow unhindered to size 7 without a granary would take 60 turns. During that time the capital would produce 380 shields. On the other hand, if the capital had a granary at size 1 it would grow to size 9 in 60 turns and would produce 540 shields along the way. That's 160 more shields, a production boost of over 40%.

May 06, 2003, 06:14 AM	#4
Goonie Lonely End of the Rink Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kingston Posts: 3,312	I fully support Mr.Donsig's argument. He isn't your usual blond. EDIT: Therefore, I cannot vote on this poll, as the option I like is not present.

May 06, 2003, 07:57 AM	#5
Shaitan der Besucher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,546	My option isn't here either. Except for the current settler I don't see a pressing need for the capital to produce any more. A city founded in the southwest will produce settlers faster than the capital as it will have more efficient growth.

May 06, 2003, 10:36 AM	#7
Shaitan der Besucher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,546	Count my abstain as a granary then.

May 06, 2003, 02:12 PM	#9
amirsan King of all Kings Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC to Connectcut... Posts: 6,529	Mine is abstain because I have a totally different Idea that puts the Granary and the Barracks in the que. You can find it in the original thread for this discussion in the Citizens Forum.

May 06, 2003, 05:30 PM	#11
naervod My current user title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 5,327	Shai- I accidentally voted for warriors and settlers, can you change that to warriors, settlers, and granary? Otherwise, it should be -1 for option 1 and +1 for option 3 __________________ "Dopo la letteratora e l'eros il calcio é uno dei grandi piaceri." -Pier Paolo Pasolini

May 06, 2003, 08:04 PM	#12
Shaitan der Besucher Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,546	Sorry naervod, we never alter poll results. I believe you and eyrei can take your statement into consideration when he analyzes the results of the poll but changing ballots opens up a huge can of worms.

May 08, 2003, 05:25 PM	#13
Bootstoots Deity Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Back in the Land of Lincoln Posts: 4,370	I personally voted for warriors and settlers only. Three more to go!

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