The city number limit

w1w218 · May 22, 2003, 10:03 PM

Max city number = 512

512 citys occupy 12,288 grids.
At original Civ3
the Map of Earth (180*180) have 32,400 grids, 60% sea, sufficiency
At PTW
the Map of Earth (362*362) have 131,044 grids, 60% sea, we need 2000 citys at least.

who can break the limit?

Anti-EUA · May 22, 2003, 10:57 PM

CTP ? You are talking about Call to Power?

The thing about the number of cities is that when you reach this number, you must have a monster at home to make the game work smoothly! I already had to wait 40 minutes between turns. Playing with 512 cities. Anyway would be nice the see the world with 2000 cities.

w1w218 · May 23, 2003, 04:44 AM

Oh, it's PTW

Mark Young · May 23, 2003, 05:04 AM

Max city number = 512

Is that the total amount of cities that you have that you have space for or the max amount of cities that civ will let you have?

pdescobar · May 23, 2003, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by w1w218
512 citys occupy 12,288 grids.
At original Civ3
the Map of Earth (180*180) have 32,400 grids, 60% sea, sufficiency
At PTW
the Map of Earth (362*362) have 131,044 grids, 60% sea, we need 2000 citys at least.

Please note that a 180x180 map is in actuality a 180x90 map (16,200 tiles) and a 362x362 map is actually a 362x181 map (65,522 tiles). This is due to the way the civ3 isometric co-ordinate system is laid out; there's a thread with a bit more detail on this in C&C from a couple days ago if you're curious.

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Eric
Is that the total amount of cities that you have that you have space for or the max amount of cities that civ will let you have?

That is the maximum allowed total number of cities in the game for all civs (e.g. it could be 5 civs with 100 cities and a 6th with 12.) If you try to settle the 513th (or probably place one in the editor) you will get an error message.

EDIT: extra clarification

Mark Young · May 23, 2003, 05:45 AM

Thanks pdescobar.
What do you call the 512 city? New new new new new new Thebes?
I dont think that I've gone past 30-40 cities.Ever.

pdescobar · May 23, 2003, 06:16 AM

The most I've personally had is probably around a hundred; I can't play maps that actually reach the limit on my comp and still finish a game in this decade.

Note that the 512 number is the total # of cities for all civs, not necessarily just you. (I edited my previous post to clarify this)

superslug · May 24, 2003, 07:57 AM

I play ICS rather often and have a quite boring method for naming my cities. The first one gets named 512, the second 511...well, it takes a while.

Civrules · May 24, 2003, 08:01 AM

Has anyone reached that limit, ever?? It seems like *a lot* of cities.

pawpaw · May 24, 2003, 10:31 AM

i did in civ 3 ( not ptw ) i don't know what the limit was for civ 3, it just refused to let me build more, now if i would sack an enemy citiy and raze it i could build 1 more and so on

arkammler · May 24, 2003, 12:14 PM

I have reached that limit in PTW, with mucho room left to build. Map size is 362 * 362 with 60% water.

Anti-EUA · May 24, 2003, 09:52 PM

civrules - i did. and i was playing dyp, which makes it even slower. so u can guess i did not finish the game!
now i only play large maps.

superslug · May 25, 2003, 02:26 AM

I've done it twice. One time, I finished off all the AI except for one city, so I was able to build 511 cities. And since the AI was restricted to one town, blockading their borders allowed me to disband most of my military saving megacash!

The other time, I only enabled Space Race as the victory type. I wiped out everyone and had all 512 cities...

DAKjungF · May 25, 2003, 03:27 AM

First time hit the limit I played vanilla Civ 3, on a pangaea map with 16 civs. Now, I became so enraged because I couldn't build more, so I declared war on most of the remaining civs and started razing cities like a madman! :flamedevi

ah, memories!

Willem · May 25, 2003, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Eric
Thanks pdescobar.
What do you call the 512 city? New new new new new new Thebes?
I dont think that I've gone past 30-40 cities.Ever.

That's 512 cities in total, not just with any one particular civ. If you have 16 civs in a game, that's only 32 cities per civ. Not really a lot.

Willem · May 25, 2003, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by civrules
Has anyone reached that limit, ever?? It seems like *a lot* of cities.

I reach the limit every game I play since I use huge maps, 249 x 248. Keep in mind that 512 refers to the total number of cities in a game, not just a single civ.

Blasphemous · May 25, 2003, 08:24 AM

Wait, so this limit also exists in PtW?
Damn, that should take out alot of the fun in my planned game with all civs on whatever is the latest and greatest PtW worldmap with starting locations... :-\

superslug · May 25, 2003, 11:11 AM

The limit does indeed exist in PTW but I don't know that it would matter in the planned game you're talking about. If you have all the civs on then there's going to be enough warfare that cities will be routinely destroyed, thus keeping you under the cap of 512.

The 512 cap is only for existing cities. Former cities don't count...

Peter Harris · May 25, 2003, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Willem

I reach the limit every game I play since I use huge maps, 249 x 248. Keep in mind that 512 refers to the total number of cities in a game, not just a single civ.

Whoa, you must have one monster computer.

superslug · May 25, 2003, 11:25 PM

I play ICS quite often and by no means consider my computer a monster. All I've got is some bargain 1.2gig Athlon with 400+megs of ram. My intraturns even late game are only a minute or two, and I run IE behind Civ so I can surf CFC simultaneously.

May 22, 2003, 10:03 PM	#1
w1w218 Chieftain Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2	The city number limit Max city number = 512 512 citys occupy 12,288 grids. At original Civ3 the Map of Earth (180180) have 32,400 grids, 60% sea, sufficiency At PTW the Map of Earth (362362) have 131,044 grids, 60% sea, we need 2000 citys at least. who can break the limit? Last edited by w1w218; May 23, 2003 at 04:46 AM.

May 23, 2003, 05:04 AM	#4
Mark Young Emperor Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Making friends with Llama's Posts: 1,797	Max city number = 512 Is that the total amount of cities that you have that you have space for or the max amount of cities that civ will let you have? __________________

May 23, 2003, 05:45 AM	#6
Mark Young Emperor Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Making friends with Llama's Posts: 1,797	Thanks pdescobar. What do you call the 512 city? New new new new new new Thebes? I dont think that I've gone past 30-40 cities.Ever. __________________

May 24, 2003, 07:57 AM	#8
superslug Still hatin' on Khan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Farm Posts: 11,081	I play ICS rather often and have a quite boring method for naming my cities. The first one gets named 512, the second 511...well, it takes a while. __________________ Kamikaze Watermelons Pwn

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May 22, 2003, 10:57 PM	#2
Anti-EUA Prince Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 385	CTP ? You are talking about Call to Power? The thing about the number of cities is that when you reach this number, you must have a monster at home to make the game work smoothly! I already had to wait 40 minutes between turns. Playing with 512 cities. Anyway would be nice the see the world with 2000 cities.

May 23, 2003, 04:44 AM	#3
w1w218 Chieftain Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2	Oh, it's PTW

May 23, 2003, 06:16 AM	#7
pdescobar Moo, baby. Moo. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CFC or playing DyP Posts: 1,366	The most I've personally had is probably around a hundred; I can't play maps that actually reach the limit on my comp and still finish a game in this decade. Note that the 512 number is the total # of cities for all civs, not necessarily just you. (I edited my previous post to clarify this)

May 24, 2003, 10:31 AM	#10
pawpaw Now Farve-Proof Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: u.s.a Posts: 5,229	i did in civ 3 ( not ptw ) i don't know what the limit was for civ 3, it just refused to let me build more, now if i would sack an enemy citiy and raze it i could build 1 more and so on

May 24, 2003, 12:14 PM	#11
arkammler Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Perryville, MO Posts: 98	I have reached that limit in PTW, with mucho room left to build. Map size is 362 * 362 with 60% water.

May 24, 2003, 09:52 PM	#12
Anti-EUA Prince Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brasil Posts: 385	civrules - i did. and i was playing dyp, which makes it even slower. so u can guess i did not finish the game! now i only play large maps.

May 25, 2003, 02:26 AM	#13
superslug Still hatin' on Khan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Farm Posts: 11,081	I've done it twice. One time, I finished off all the AI except for one city, so I was able to build 511 cities. And since the AI was restricted to one town, blockading their borders allowed me to disband most of my military saving megacash! The other time, I only enabled Space Race as the victory type. I wiped out everyone and had all 512 cities... __________________ Kamikaze Watermelons Pwn

May 25, 2003, 03:27 AM	#14
DAKjungF Khalif of the Box Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Livin' in a box Posts: 85	First time hit the limit I played vanilla Civ 3, on a pangaea map with 16 civs. Now, I became so enraged because I couldn't build more, so I declared war on most of the remaining civs and started razing cities like a madman! :flamedevi ah, memories!

May 25, 2003, 08:24 AM	#17
Blasphemous Graulich Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 3,079	Wait, so this limit also exists in PtW? Damn, that should take out alot of the fun in my planned game with all civs on whatever is the latest and greatest PtW worldmap with starting locations... :-\ __________________ The Enlightened take things Lightly Music non stop when I close my eyes / Clarity born from a compromise / And you are almost like me -Music Non Stop, by Mercenary Rhye's and Fall of Civilization - mod by Rhye (and co) \| My kind of school \| Get Firefox! \| Ubuntu, Linux for humans \| I'm a (-3.75,-8.15), what are you? \| Save the world, one CPU cycle at a time \|Black CFC is beautiful!

May 25, 2003, 11:11 AM	#18
superslug Still hatin' on Khan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Farm Posts: 11,081	The limit does indeed exist in PTW but I don't know that it would matter in the planned game you're talking about. If you have all the civs on then there's going to be enough warfare that cities will be routinely destroyed, thus keeping you under the cap of 512. The 512 cap is only for existing cities. Former cities don't count... __________________ Kamikaze Watermelons Pwn

May 25, 2003, 11:25 PM	#20
superslug Still hatin' on Khan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Farm Posts: 11,081	I play ICS quite often and by no means consider my computer a monster. All I've got is some bargain 1.2gig Athlon with 400+megs of ram. My intraturns even late game are only a minute or two, and I run IE behind Civ so I can surf CFC simultaneously. __________________ Kamikaze Watermelons Pwn

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