foreign settler...never knew possible...

andvruss · Jul 19, 2003, 02:55 PM

I was playing a PTW game the other day and something that I've never seen or knew could happed. Pusan (a Korean city) produced a settler and that settler was foreign. I had destroyed the Koreans earlier, however, Pusan consisted completely of Korean citizens. Is this why it was a Korean settler?

Leha · Jul 19, 2003, 02:58 PM

This is Immortal Settler

Never paid attention before to such things .

Peebo · Jul 19, 2003, 03:15 PM

33,000 gold! nice!

pdescobar · Jul 19, 2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andvruss
I was playing a PTW game the other day and something that I've never seen or knew could happed. Pusan (a Korean city) produced a settler and that settler was foreign. I had destroyed the Koreans earlier, however, Pusan consisted completely of Korean citizens. Is this why it was a Korean settler?

Yes, if the citizens who become the settler are foreign, the settler itself is foreign. It will show up in the "captured unit" list in f3, have no upkeep, and when you found a new city with it, the initial citizens will have that nationality. I believe that you only need one of the two citizens to be foreign to get a foreign settler, but I'm not positive and I have no idea which nationality is chosen for the description if it's a hybrid made of two foreign citizens.

Bamspeedy · Jul 19, 2003, 07:17 PM

Also, in the process of going from a settler into a city, 1 population point is lost, so if the civ they came from was still alive, you would suffer an attitude hit, because they view it as you killed 1 of their citizens.

Tacit_Exit · Jul 19, 2003, 10:34 PM

Settlers from goody huts are Barbarian settlers, and I think you can get a Barbarian worker from a city founded by the former.

Nifty but mostly irrelevant.

SinisterDeath · Jul 19, 2003, 11:01 PM

I got a barbarian settler before as well, and Tacit_Exit is right, 2 games ago I had not one, but 2 barbarian workers from that city!

trumpeteer · Jul 20, 2003, 12:01 PM

When that Barb settler builds a city, what nationality are the citizens? Are they just regular citizens or does it say "Content Barbarian laborer?"

SinisterDeath · Jul 20, 2003, 04:24 PM

I have a question for andvruss... HOW DO YOU GET 30,000 gold AND ROCKETRY IN THE 1700's??? I would love to know your strategy etc. The most gold I have ever had is about 3,000, and I've never had tech advances that far. BTW I play on Regent. Can you tell me what your secret is? Because that's CRAZY !!! Good work !!!

Jul 20, 2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

I have a question for andvruss... HOW DO YOU GET 30,000 gold AND ROCKETRY IN THE 1700's??? I would love to know your strategy etc. The most gold I have ever had is about 3,000, and I've never had tech advances that far. BTW I play on Regent. Can you tell me what your secret is? Because that's CRAZY !!! Good work !!!

Play on deity and you'll have won space race by 1100AD

SinisterDeath · Jul 21, 2003, 03:18 AM

Fair enough, but what's different? I don't understand...I know regent is far from deity, but I thought it was supposed to get harder, not easier, can you explain?

Brewster · Jul 21, 2003, 03:38 AM

On deity, the AI gets a huge production/research bonus over the human player. They are able to research techs almost twice as fast at the human and love to trade with the other AI. An astute player will use this research bonus to their advantage by allowing the AI to research like crazy and buy/trade for the techs you need. With the rapid tech discoveries and frequent trading, you are able to move through the tech tree much faster than at lower levels where you are doing most/all of the research yourself.

SinisterDeath · Jul 21, 2003, 06:26 PM

So then what is the strategy? Set your science to 0% and use the extra income to buy your techs?

andvruss · Jul 21, 2003, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by SinisterDeath
I have a question for andvruss... HOW DO YOU GET 30,000 gold AND ROCKETRY IN THE 1700's??? I would love to know your strategy etc. The most gold I have ever had is about 3,000, and I've never had tech advances that far. BTW I play on Regent. Can you tell me what your secret is? Because that's CRAZY !!! Good work !!!

Sinister Death, this game I just played was only on Regent, huge map. Thus, Throughout the whole game, I made huge trades with the ai since I was able to get a few techs up on them. I traded them around for a lil cash (the most was 900 in 1 turn. However, a huge war dragged me down into monarchy, drawing a 8 turn anarchy, and then I turned back to a democracy after, drawing another 7 tun anarchy. I lost most my gpt coming from the civs after they were being wiped out by me and the stronger civs. 4 civs were left when I launched in the early 1800s. It was actually a pretty good game since I was netting 2000+ gpt in the 1800s with no help from other civs and a 5.5.0 rate. It all depends on the trades you make and if you get a tech in 4 turns. Obviously, a huge map will net a faster tech pace and more gold, due to more civs to trade with and lower corruption.

SinisterDeath · Jul 21, 2003, 07:14 PM

What do you mean that you made huge trades? And you say you traded them around...traded what around? And how do you get 2000+ GPT with no trading?

andvruss · Jul 21, 2003, 07:53 PM

I had a huge empire and almost all of it had the most important improvements, like stockexchanges, etc. I was the Ottomons, so I got cheaper science improvements and a free tech every new era, and industrious, my favorite characteristic. workers built a whole lot faster and extra shields. This was a huge map, so my income was possible. I could've even gotten more income by attacking my neighbours the French, who were close to my capital and FP, so that area would also become part of my core.

alpha wolf 64 · Jul 21, 2003, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bamspeedy
Also, in the process of going from a settler into a city, 1 population point is lost, so if the civ they came from was still alive, you would suffer an attitude hit, because they view it as you killed 1 of their citizens.

OMG, REALLY!?!?!?!?!? That would explain why everyone hates me. I stopped razing cities to save rep hits, but i'll build settlers from captured cities that i'll either build useless cities to give away, or let barbarians capture or other civs kill. I a have a foreign settler that another civ kils, will that civ take a rep hit from the settler's civ?

alpha wolf 64 · Jul 21, 2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Tacit_Exit
Settlers from goody huts are Barbarian settlers, and I think you can get a Barbarian worker from a city founded by the former.

I've gotten many settlers from huts and I've never seen a barbarian settler. Didnt they fix that in one of the first patches?

Jul 19, 2003, 02:55 PM	#1
andvruss Deity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Росси Posts: 1,932	foreign settler...never knew possible... I was playing a PTW game the other day and something that I've never seen or knew could happed. Pusan (a Korean city) produced a settler and that settler was foreign. I had destroyed the Koreans earlier, however, Pusan consisted completely of Korean citizens. Is this why it was a Korean settler? __________________ "A single death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." Completed Succession Games: DD1 \| MB1 \| CZ1 \| AVS1 \| COR1 \| DI1 \| VB2 \| CVN1 \| N3- \| AVS2 \| ANK9 \|

Jul 19, 2003, 03:15 PM	#3
Peebo Grand Poobah Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 156	33,000 gold! nice! __________________ a dog, a plan, a canal - Pagoda

Jul 19, 2003, 07:17 PM	#5
Bamspeedy Drinking with Obama Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Amish Country, Wisconsin, USA Posts: 6,627	Also, in the process of going from a settler into a city, 1 population point is lost, so if the civ they came from was still alive, you would suffer an attitude hit, because they view it as you killed 1 of their citizens. __________________ Unless you are the lead cow, the view never changes!

Jul 19, 2003, 11:01 PM	#7
SinisterDeath Pure Quality Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 408	I got a barbarian settler before as well, and Tacit_Exit is right, 2 games ago I had not one, but 2 barbarian workers from that city! __________________ Pound, Pillage and Punish !

Jul 20, 2003, 04:24 PM	#9
SinisterDeath Pure Quality Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 408	I have a question for andvruss... HOW DO YOU GET 30,000 gold AND ROCKETRY IN THE 1700's??? I would love to know your strategy etc. The most gold I have ever had is about 3,000, and I've never had tech advances that far. BTW I play on Regent. Can you tell me what your secret is? Because that's CRAZY !!! Good work !!! __________________ Pound, Pillage and Punish !

Jul 19, 2003, 02:58 PM	#2
Leha ooseepoosee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Israel,Bat-Yam. Posts: 2,456	This is Immortal Settler Never paid attention before to such things .

Jul 19, 2003, 10:34 PM	#6
Tacit_Exit King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oz Posts: 933	Settlers from goody huts are Barbarian settlers, and I think you can get a Barbarian worker from a city founded by the former. Nifty but mostly irrelevant.

Jul 20, 2003, 12:01 PM	#8
trumpeteer Player of Trumpet Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 449	When that Barb settler builds a city, what nationality are the citizens? Are they just regular citizens or does it say "Content Barbarian laborer?"

Jul 21, 2003, 03:18 AM	#11
SinisterDeath Pure Quality Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 408	Fair enough, but what's different? I don't understand...I know regent is far from deity, but I thought it was supposed to get harder, not easier, can you explain? __________________ Pound, Pillage and Punish !

Jul 21, 2003, 03:38 AM	#12
Brewster stays crunchy in milk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Victoria, Canada Posts: 1,079	On deity, the AI gets a huge production/research bonus over the human player. They are able to research techs almost twice as fast at the human and love to trade with the other AI. An astute player will use this research bonus to their advantage by allowing the AI to research like crazy and buy/trade for the techs you need. With the rapid tech discoveries and frequent trading, you are able to move through the tech tree much faster than at lower levels where you are doing most/all of the research yourself. __________________ Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. I am an addict and Civ is my crack.

Jul 21, 2003, 06:26 PM	#13
SinisterDeath Pure Quality Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 408	So then what is the strategy? Set your science to 0% and use the extra income to buy your techs? __________________ Pound, Pillage and Punish !

Jul 21, 2003, 07:14 PM	#15
SinisterDeath Pure Quality Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 408	What do you mean that you made huge trades? And you say you traded them around...traded what around? And how do you get 2000+ GPT with no trading? __________________ Pound, Pillage and Punish !

Jul 21, 2003, 07:53 PM	#16
andvruss Deity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Росси Posts: 1,932	I had a huge empire and almost all of it had the most important improvements, like stockexchanges, etc. I was the Ottomons, so I got cheaper science improvements and a free tech every new era, and industrious, my favorite characteristic. workers built a whole lot faster and extra shields. This was a huge map, so my income was possible. I could've even gotten more income by attacking my neighbours the French, who were close to my capital and FP, so that area would also become part of my core. __________________ "A single death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." Completed Succession Games: DD1 \| MB1 \| CZ1 \| AVS1 \| COR1 \| DI1 \| VB2 \| CVN1 \| N3- \| AVS2 \| ANK9 \|

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