What should be the 31th civ in the MEM?

Yoda Power · Aug 07, 2003, 01:24 PM

I originally planned to have the Hanseatic League as the 31th civ, but I found a much more realistic way to implement them. So what do you think should be the 31th civ? Im still open to suggestions, but please vote anyway.

these are the existing civs:

Tuscany
Poland
Byzantine Empire
Caliphate of Cordova
Holy Roman Empire
Kievan Rus
Kingdom of Jerusalem
Aragon
Hungary
France
Saracens
Sassanids
Sweden
Bohemia
Kingdom of Sicily
England
The Golden Horde
Castille
Denmark-Norway
Turks
Scotland
Abbasid Caliphate
Burgundy
Venetia
Teotonic Order
Almohads
Novgorod
Armenia
Portugal
Bulgaria

BTW im looking for people who would like to test the MEM, send me a pm if you´re interestet

Nahuixtelotzin · Aug 07, 2003, 01:31 PM

Serbia, although closely followed by Ireland.

I know, it's a bit late to make suggestions (I haven't really followed the development process), but why do you have the Holy Roman Empire and Bohemia seperated, but not the other German principalities. In the Middle Ages, Bohemia was by no means outstanding to the other principalities (beside from just being an important one of them)

Yoda Power · Aug 07, 2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nahuixtelotzin
I know, it's a bit late to make suggestions (I haven't really followed the development process), but why do you have the Holy Roman Empire and Bohemia seperated, but not the other German principalities. In the Middle Ages, Bohemia was by no means outstanding to the other principalities (beside from just being an important one of them)

Bohemia were not always German(Holy Roman), it was a independent state untill Emperor Otto captured it around 1030(I think), the mod starts 610AD. In the late medieval age it became independent again, it just remained a member of the HRE. And culturally it has always been seperated from the HRE.

Pangur Bán · Aug 07, 2003, 04:16 PM

The Kingdom of Bohemia, like the Kingdoms of Italy (Lombardy) and Burgundy, weren't part of the Kingdom of Germany. Italy, Burgundy and Bohemia became attatched to the Empire, but they retained their own status as kingdoms. The German principalities were not Kingdoms, they were duchies, margravates, etc, etc, forming part of the Kingdom of Germany.

This definitely gives Bohemia, etc, special status. Even England was part of the Empire once, but it was always a kingdom.

BTW, glad you got rid of the Hanseatic League. I'm going for Lithuania, although all of the options are sensible. I think you you should have Lombardy instead of Tuscany as well, since Tuscany was part of the Kingdom of Italy. I think I know why you added Tuscany though, because of Renaissance Florence. Right?

Nahuixtelotzin · Aug 07, 2003, 05:01 PM

Damn it, where did my 2nd reply go? Don't mind, starting the mod in 610 justifies Bohemia anyway.
In terms of influence, the Papal State could have been another choice.

Steph · Aug 08, 2003, 02:44 PM

County, then Duchy of Savoy (then Kingdom of Piemont Sardinia)!

LouLong · Aug 08, 2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steph
County, then Duchy of Savoy (then Kingdom of Piemont Sardinia)!

Difficult considering that he made Burgundy start in Arles (first kingdom of Burgundy-Provence) which leaves too little place...

Steph · Aug 08, 2003, 03:15 PM

Simple: remove Burgundy!

tjedge1 · Aug 08, 2003, 11:44 PM

I'm voting Irish cause I am!
Irish that is.

Top o tha Mornin to ya lads!

Just got up and it's time to get a seven course meal.
Sixpack and a potatoe.

tjedge1 · Aug 08, 2003, 11:49 PM

Since I'm not to familiar with this much detail of Euro history, Would the Vikings be the Denmark-Norway?

Yoda Power · Aug 09, 2003, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tjedge1
Since I'm not to familiar with this much detail of Euro history, Would the Vikings be the Denmark-Norway?

The Vikings were never a country, Denmark-Norway and Sweden are vikings.

Unless the poll changes im proberly going to have Lithuania. However please vote if you havent already

aaminion00 · Aug 09, 2003, 05:05 AM

Serbia. At their height they controlled most of southeastern Europe, an area which is missing civs in your mod. They were historically the most important south slavic civ.

Of course, once conquests is out, you are going to add Bosnia as one of the 7 new ones right

?

mrtn · Aug 09, 2003, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by aaminion00
...Of course, once conquests is out, you are going to add Bosnia as one of the 7 new ones right ?

The 7 new civs in C3C are gonna be: Serbia, Kroatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Hercegovina.

aaminion00 · Aug 09, 2003, 06:19 AM

"The 7 new civs in C3C are gonna be: Serbia, Kroatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Hercegovina."

YAY!!! Now if only we could figure out some sort of "scenario" that would somehow include all 7 of them....

tjedge1 · Aug 09, 2003, 07:40 AM

I new the Vikings weren't actually a country. They never really had a real king (just a 100 Jarls)

. But their presence was felt by all the northern countries. At least everybody veered around them when they met them, usually, right [punch] ? Like I said, I'm not to familiar with Euro-History. I just know a lot of Viking trivia.
Anyway. I thought Sweden might be part of that. Do they have the beserk unit or something similiar?
I did vote. If the Irish aren't in then I'll probly play the Denmark-Norway or Sweden mostly. After all beggars can't be choosey. Well, they can, but then they don't get much either.

This mod looks great so far anyway and I will try it when finished. Regardless.

LouLong · Aug 09, 2003, 08:14 AM

I voted for Serbia...

... and Bulgars would be my second choice

mrtn · Aug 09, 2003, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aaminion00
"The 7 new civs in C3C are gonna be: Serbia, Kroatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Hercegovina."

YAY!!! Now if only we could figure out some sort of "scenario" that would somehow include all 7 of them....

I have no idea what that could be. Maybe some sort of "Rise of Byzantium"-scenario? (Where is Xen when you make a joke about Byzans?

)
Or maybe a "Lets kill all our neighbours"-scenario. I'm not joking about this, this is the most tragic event in the last 50 years of European history. I think all Europeans should be ashamed about this. I know I am.

Sorry for the threadjack, everyone.

Yoda Power · Aug 10, 2003, 05:23 AM

hmm, Serbia is leading. Though I MIGHT still go for Lithuania, becuase of gameplay reasons. (The Balkans already have Hungary, Bulgaria and Byzantium, so its pretty crowded).

Yoda Power · Aug 11, 2003, 09:54 AM

bump!

thestonesfan · Aug 11, 2003, 10:03 AM

I'd go with Lithuania.

View Poll Results: What should be the 31th civ in the MEM? (please look at the first post before voting)
Lombards	5	13.16%
Ireland/Irish	12	31.58%
Lithuania	10	26.32%
Serbia	11	28.95%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

Aug 07, 2003, 01:24 PM	#1
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,294 Images: 16	What should be the 31th civ in the MEM? I originally planned to have the Hanseatic League as the 31th civ, but I found a much more realistic way to implement them. So what do you think should be the 31th civ? Im still open to suggestions, but please vote anyway. these are the existing civs: Tuscany Poland Byzantine Empire Caliphate of Cordova Holy Roman Empire Kievan Rus Kingdom of Jerusalem Aragon Hungary France Saracens Sassanids Sweden Bohemia Kingdom of Sicily England The Golden Horde Castille Denmark-Norway Turks Scotland Abbasid Caliphate Burgundy Venetia Teotonic Order Almohads Novgorod Armenia Portugal Bulgaria BTW im looking for people who would like to test the MEM, send me a pm if you´re interestet __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

Aug 07, 2003, 04:16 PM	#4
Pangur Bán Γυναιμανης Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Albania Posts: 7,370	The Kingdom of Bohemia, like the Kingdoms of Italy (Lombardy) and Burgundy, weren't part of the Kingdom of Germany. Italy, Burgundy and Bohemia became attatched to the Empire, but they retained their own status as kingdoms. The German principalities were not Kingdoms, they were duchies, margravates, etc, etc, forming part of the Kingdom of Germany. This definitely gives Bohemia, etc, special status. Even England was part of the Empire once, but it was always a kingdom. BTW, glad you got rid of the Hanseatic League. I'm going for Lithuania, although all of the options are sensible. I think you you should have Lombardy instead of Tuscany as well, since Tuscany was part of the Kingdom of Italy. I think I know why you added Tuscany though, because of Renaissance Florence. Right? Last edited by Pangur Bán; Aug 07, 2003 at 04:20 PM.

Aug 08, 2003, 11:44 PM	#9
tjedge1 Writer of writerly things Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 4,682	I'm voting Irish cause I am! Irish that is. Top o tha Mornin to ya lads! Just got up and it's time to get a seven course meal. Sixpack and a potatoe. __________________ I'm back! But I'm not modding anymore. Last edited by tjedge1; Aug 09, 2003 at 01:18 AM.

Aug 08, 2003, 11:49 PM	#10
tjedge1 Writer of writerly things Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 4,682	Since I'm not to familiar with this much detail of Euro history, Would the Vikings be the Denmark-Norway? __________________ I'm back! But I'm not modding anymore.

Aug 07, 2003, 01:31 PM	#2
Nahuixtelotzin Huey Tlatoani Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 591	Serbia, although closely followed by Ireland. I know, it's a bit late to make suggestions (I haven't really followed the development process), but why do you have the Holy Roman Empire and Bohemia seperated, but not the other German principalities. In the Middle Ages, Bohemia was by no means outstanding to the other principalities (beside from just being an important one of them)

Aug 07, 2003, 05:01 PM	#5
Nahuixtelotzin Huey Tlatoani Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Graz, Austria Posts: 591	Damn it, where did my 2nd reply go? Don't mind, starting the mod in 610 justifies Bohemia anyway. In terms of influence, the Papal State could have been another choice.

Aug 08, 2003, 02:44 PM	#6
Steph Multi Many Tasks man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pont de l'Arn, FRANCE Posts: 17,757	County, then Duchy of Savoy (then Kingdom of Piemont Sardinia)!

Aug 08, 2003, 03:15 PM	#8
Steph Multi Many Tasks man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pont de l'Arn, FRANCE Posts: 17,757	Simple: remove Burgundy!

Aug 09, 2003, 05:05 AM	#12
aaminion00 Stoned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Meh Posts: 4,306	Serbia. At their height they controlled most of southeastern Europe, an area which is missing civs in your mod. They were historically the most important south slavic civ. Of course, once conquests is out, you are going to add Bosnia as one of the 7 new ones right ? __________________ Indeed

Aug 09, 2003, 06:19 AM	#14
aaminion00 Stoned Join Date: May 2003 Location: Meh Posts: 4,306	"The 7 new civs in C3C are gonna be: Serbia, Kroatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Hercegovina." YAY!!! Now if only we could figure out some sort of "scenario" that would somehow include all 7 of them.... __________________ Indeed

Aug 09, 2003, 07:40 AM	#15
tjedge1 Writer of writerly things Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 4,682	I new the Vikings weren't actually a country. They never really had a real king (just a 100 Jarls) . But their presence was felt by all the northern countries. At least everybody veered around them when they met them, usually, right [punch] ? Like I said, I'm not to familiar with Euro-History. I just know a lot of Viking trivia. Anyway. I thought Sweden might be part of that. Do they have the beserk unit or something similiar? I did vote. If the Irish aren't in then I'll probly play the Denmark-Norway or Sweden mostly. After all beggars can't be choosey. Well, they can, but then they don't get much either. This mod looks great so far anyway and I will try it when finished. Regardless. __________________ I'm back! But I'm not modding anymore. Last edited by tjedge1; Aug 09, 2003 at 07:45 AM.

Aug 09, 2003, 08:14 AM	#16
LouLong In love with Rei Ayanami Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Fontainebleau FRANCE Posts: 7,385	I voted for Serbia... ... and Bulgars would be my second choice __________________ SCENARIOS : THE GREAT ARMADA (TGA) \| THE FALKLANDS WAR (TFW) \| THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR (FIW) \| THE SPANISH RECONQUISTA (RCQ) \| THE BOER WAR (TBW) CONQUESTS MAP DIRECTORY \| CONQUESTS SCENARIO and REVIEWS DIRECTORY \| My Civ stuff (maps & units) \| PBEM newbee guide \|

Aug 10, 2003, 05:23 AM	#18
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,294 Images: 16	hmm, Serbia is leading. Though I MIGHT still go for Lithuania, becuase of gameplay reasons. (The Balkans already have Hungary, Bulgaria and Byzantium, so its pretty crowded). __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

Aug 11, 2003, 09:54 AM	#19
Yoda Power ✫✫✫✫✫✫✫ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 13,294 Images: 16	bump! __________________ Medieval European Mod II 1.3 \| Giant Earth Concept Map (256x256) \| East Asia Mod \| The YP Archives

Aug 11, 2003, 10:03 AM	#20
thestonesfan A Client of Ron Kuby Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,549	I'd go with Lithuania. __________________ What a drag it is gettin' old.

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