Unit preview: Ancient Siege Ship

aaglo · Sep 23, 2003, 08:47 AM

Hi all.

The series of antique ships are about to be continued. And as usual, You may be a part of the creating process.

This is the current shape of things. As many may notice, it's just basically two ancient triremes with a wooden platform connecting them, and a siege tower on top of all this ridiculous lump.

But as far as I know (and a few www sites), these ships actually existed.

Now, this picture is not the game unit size, so don't worry.

Any suggestions and ideas for the graphics (and stats, but they are not important at this stage) are welcome.

About the attack animation what I had in mind:
- no rotation (duh!)
- catapults throw rocks (or cows -

Monty Python) from the holes of the tower
- flaming arrows from the top of the tower
- NO RAMMING ATTACK!

Additional question: should the tower be made of wood or stone?

Yoda Power · Sep 23, 2003, 08:49 AM

Very nice

. But should it have rams if it does´nt ram?

MarineCorps · Sep 23, 2003, 08:50 AM

That is one odd ship. Cool looking at the same time.

Steph · Sep 23, 2003, 08:57 AM

Hmmm.... Instead of a wooden siege tower, could you make a giant wooden rabbit? Then I do Lancelot and I will.... err... No that's not a good idea. Let's try with a badger instead.

Steph · Sep 23, 2003, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steph
Hmmm.... Instead of a wooden siege tower, could you make a giant wooden rabbit? Then Lancelot and I will.... err... No that's not a good idea. Let's try with a badger !

Kinboat · Sep 23, 2003, 09:42 AM

What about flaming arrows from the windows and a catapult on top... I think a stone tower would've been too heavy to float... Also maybe make the tower less substantial. Break it up with more little windows or skip a beam every once in a while.
I always imagined the tower being in the center when I pictured these things... maybe just a balance issue (don't want all that weight in the front) but I looks fine where it is.

LBPB · Sep 23, 2003, 09:49 AM

YEEEEEEEEEEEEPIIIIIIIII

aaglo is starting to work on the roman siege ship !!!!!!!!!!!

LouLong · Sep 23, 2003, 09:54 AM

Yep, looks like a double quinquereme siege ship to me. Not very common but pretty nice. It would have the 'ignore city walls for attacks from the seas' if that existed

.

Otherwise it is just a beauty ! And will fit in prefectly well in the Punic Wars scenario.

Now since it is a siege ship, the ram is not only not needed but it would make approach difficult IMHO.

Madeira · Sep 23, 2003, 09:55 AM

What about just one of those triremes without the tower?

Yoda Power · Sep 23, 2003, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Madeira
What about just one of those triremes without the tower?

he already made that

look in the unit section

Amenhotep7 · Sep 23, 2003, 10:16 AM

aaglo-
You must hurry with this unit! Puhleez! You must hurry! For every second it is not out, I melt with anticipation! I'm melting! MELTING! Aaaaagghhhh!

P.S. I know the ATG crew will love this one.

aaglo · Sep 23, 2003, 11:44 AM

Hi,
thanks for the comments

Some replies & thoughts:
- I could shorten the rams, but not remove them entirely. There were rams in these ships according to some pictures. Besides, without the rams the ship would look even more ridiculous.

- I will do some fine-tuning to the tower itself (add small windows and supporting bars, ect.).

- That flame arrows from the hatches and catapult on top sounds quite reasonable. The idea I posted was based only on my poor imagination - I have no idea how this ship actually worked

Amenhotep7 · Sep 23, 2003, 12:09 PM

aaglo-
Question: How did this thing float? Wouldn't the tower make it too top-heavy? Still, I like it. I like your last two comments:
- I will do some fine-tuning to the tower itself (add small windows and supporting bars, ect.).

- That flame arrows from the hatches and catapult on top sounds quite reasonable. The idea I posted was based only on my poor imagination - I have no idea how this ship actually worked

Do u have any idea when it will be finished? It looks like it's about ready now, since you showed that preview pic. Great job!

aaglo · Sep 23, 2003, 12:22 PM

Well, the ETA of this unit would be between 24 - 48 hours, I suppose.

Well, I think this thing floated pretty well, considering that the tower was hollow and made of wood. The tower being in the front is balanced by the long rear - so it won't sink so easily

(i think).

Amenhotep7 · Sep 23, 2003, 12:42 PM

That's what I as thinking after I posted and took another look at the preview.

Question: ETA???

Zeekater · Sep 23, 2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Well, the ETA of this unit would be between 24 - 48 hours, I suppose.

don't be impatient, aaglo's work is worth the wait

Amenhotep7 · Sep 23, 2003, 12:56 PM

Zeekater-
That's not what I meant. What I meant was- What does ETA mean?

Zeekater · Sep 23, 2003, 12:58 PM

ETA= estimated time of arrival IIRC

--> when it will be ready

aaglo · Sep 23, 2003, 01:02 PM

Yep, ETA= Estimated Time of Arrival.

Well, ETA for version 2 is about 0 minutes.

Here. Comments are still very much wanted

Ossric · Sep 23, 2003, 01:12 PM

looks great, but how does/will it look compared to the other naval units? (size wise)

Sep 23, 2003, 08:47 AM	#1
aaglo Furioso! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Planet Baal Posts: 8,184 Images: 1	Unit preview: Ancient Siege Ship Hi all. The series of antique ships are about to be continued. And as usual, You may be a part of the creating process. This is the current shape of things. As many may notice, it's just basically two ancient triremes with a wooden platform connecting them, and a siege tower on top of all this ridiculous lump. But as far as I know (and a few www sites), these ships actually existed. Now, this picture is not the game unit size, so don't worry. Any suggestions and ideas for the graphics (and stats, but they are not important at this stage) are welcome. About the attack animation what I had in mind: - no rotation (duh!) - catapults throw rocks (or cows - Monty Python) from the holes of the tower - flaming arrows from the top of the tower - NO RAMMING ATTACK! Additional question: should the tower be made of wood or stone? __________________ R.I.P. Stormrage, my partner in Green Warhammer Fantasy mod 2.5 for Civ3Conquests - HistoriCanada - Civ3-mod about canadian history My Civ3-unitsMy all other Civ3-graphicsThings for me to do. It's not an optical illusion - it only looks like it...

Sep 23, 2003, 08:49 AM	#2
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Sep 23, 2003, 09:42 AM	#6
Kinboat Conan the Librarian Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: I'm home, where are you? Posts: 2,079	What about flaming arrows from the windows and a catapult on top... I think a stone tower would've been too heavy to float... Also maybe make the tower less substantial. Break it up with more little windows or skip a beam every once in a while. I always imagined the tower being in the center when I pictured these things... maybe just a balance issue (don't want all that weight in the front) but I looks fine where it is.

Sep 23, 2003, 09:49 AM	#7
LBPB King Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 643	YEEEEEEEEEEEEPIIIIIIIII aaglo is starting to work on the roman siege ship !!!!!!!!!!!

Sep 23, 2003, 09:55 AM	#9
Madeira Emperor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,435	What about just one of those triremes without the tower?

Sep 23, 2003, 10:16 AM	#11
Amenhotep7 Spartiate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Preparing for the Persians... Posts: 6,597	aaglo- You must hurry with this unit! Puhleez! You must hurry! For every second it is not out, I melt with anticipation! I'm melting! MELTING! Aaaaagghhhh! P.S. I know the ATG crew will love this one.

Sep 23, 2003, 11:44 AM	#12
aaglo Furioso! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Planet Baal Posts: 8,184 Images: 1	Hi, thanks for the comments Some replies & thoughts: - I could shorten the rams, but not remove them entirely. There were rams in these ships according to some pictures. Besides, without the rams the ship would look even more ridiculous. - I will do some fine-tuning to the tower itself (add small windows and supporting bars, ect.). - That flame arrows from the hatches and catapult on top sounds quite reasonable. The idea I posted was based only on my poor imagination - I have no idea how this ship actually worked __________________ R.I.P. Stormrage, my partner in Green Warhammer Fantasy mod 2.5 for Civ3Conquests - HistoriCanada - Civ3-mod about canadian history My Civ3-unitsMy all other Civ3-graphicsThings for me to do. It's not an optical illusion - it only looks like it...

Sep 23, 2003, 12:09 PM	#13
Amenhotep7 Spartiate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Preparing for the Persians... Posts: 6,597	aaglo- Question: How did this thing float? Wouldn't the tower make it too top-heavy? Still, I like it. I like your last two comments: - I will do some fine-tuning to the tower itself (add small windows and supporting bars, ect.). - That flame arrows from the hatches and catapult on top sounds quite reasonable. The idea I posted was based only on my poor imagination - I have no idea how this ship actually worked Do u have any idea when it will be finished? It looks like it's about ready now, since you showed that preview pic. Great job!

Sep 23, 2003, 12:22 PM	#14
aaglo Furioso! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Planet Baal Posts: 8,184 Images: 1	Well, the ETA of this unit would be between 24 - 48 hours, I suppose. Well, I think this thing floated pretty well, considering that the tower was hollow and made of wood. The tower being in the front is balanced by the long rear - so it won't sink so easily (i think). __________________ R.I.P. Stormrage, my partner in Green Warhammer Fantasy mod 2.5 for Civ3Conquests - HistoriCanada - Civ3-mod about canadian history My Civ3-unitsMy all other Civ3-graphicsThings for me to do. It's not an optical illusion - it only looks like it...

Sep 23, 2003, 12:42 PM	#15
Amenhotep7 Spartiate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Preparing for the Persians... Posts: 6,597	That's what I as thinking after I posted and took another look at the preview. Question: ETA???

Sep 23, 2003, 12:56 PM	#17
Amenhotep7 Spartiate Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Preparing for the Persians... Posts: 6,597	Zeekater- That's not what I meant. What I meant was- What does ETA mean?

Sep 23, 2003, 12:58 PM	#18
Zeekater hasn't been using drugs Join Date: May 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,241	ETA= estimated time of arrival IIRC --> when it will be ready

Sep 23, 2003, 01:02 PM	#19
aaglo Furioso! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Planet Baal Posts: 8,184 Images: 1	Yep, ETA= Estimated Time of Arrival. Well, ETA for version 2 is about 0 minutes. Here. Comments are still very much wanted __________________ R.I.P. Stormrage, my partner in Green Warhammer Fantasy mod 2.5 for Civ3Conquests - HistoriCanada - Civ3-mod about canadian history My Civ3-unitsMy all other Civ3-graphicsThings for me to do. It's not an optical illusion - it only looks like it...

Sep 23, 2003, 01:12 PM	#20
Ossric Hedonistic Ruler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Europe's capitol of hedonism Posts: 745	looks great, but how does/will it look compared to the other naval units? (size wise)

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