Attn Firaxis: Whats the deal with Marines and Amphibious Assault?

Aussie_Lurker · Oct 09, 2003, 11:38 PM

If there are any Firaxis people around the place, I was hoping you could answer this VERY important question! When the new XP was first announced, one of the features I was MOST looking forward to was that Marines would have a combat bonus when performing amphibious assault! What I'd like to know is, will this still be the case, or has it been put off for a future XP or patch? Secondly, if this feature IS in, does this represent the start of similar combat bonuses, for other units, in future Patches and/or XP's?
Any info you could give me on this matter would be VERY much appreciated

!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

Shabbaman · Oct 10, 2003, 02:19 AM

Why should they have a combat bonus? The amphibous assault is combat bonus enough.
It is confirmed that there are no combat bonuses of units versus specific units (pike v.s. mounted fi) btw.

thestonesfan · Oct 10, 2003, 06:30 AM

I read somewhere that they would have one - but I agree with Shabbaman in that the Amphibious Assault flag is a pretty substantial bonus.

That said, the Marines are really weak stat-wise in the game. They're just not worth using.

MarineCorps · Oct 10, 2003, 07:13 AM

they had better not have taken it out. The reason they get a bonous is because in real life Marines are the ones that do amphibious assaults.

Patroklos · Oct 10, 2003, 07:24 AM

special trianing for coastal areas as well

thestonesfan · Oct 10, 2003, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarineCorps
they had better not have taken it out. The reason they get a bonous is because in real life Marines are the ones that do amphibious assaults.

And why would you care?

Gen · Oct 10, 2003, 11:53 AM

Well, "C3C comprehensive feature list" thread states that marines indeed do get 2 x attack bonus when making amphibious assaults. I've also read that in some preview so it is rather for sure.
Of course everything can change before final release, but I don't suppose this modification will.

spincrus · Oct 10, 2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gen
Well, "C3C comprehensive feature list" thread states that marines indeed do get 2 x attack bonus when making amphibious assaults. I've also read that in some preview so it is rather for sure.
Of course everything can change before final release, but I don't suppose this modification will.

I assume, that the "amphibious" flag itself is what causes the 2x attack bonus.

I mean, if you check the amphibious flag even with the basic warrior unit, you'll simply get a 2x attack bonus when attacking "amphibious". Hmm, the wording sucks, but bare with it

Besides, it's the question if this is true or not...

thestonesfan · Oct 10, 2003, 12:30 PM

The "Amphibious Assault" flag, which is in the normal game, lets you attack as if the unit you were attacking had no defensive city bonuses. For example, If you attack a tank in a size 12 city, it disregards the big defensive bonus the tank gets for being in a metropolis.

spincrus · Oct 10, 2003, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thestonesfan
The "Amphibious Assault" flag, which is in the normal game, lets you attack as if the unit you were attacking had no defensive city bonuses. For example, If you attack a tank in a size 12 city, it disregards the big defensive bonus the tank gets for being in a metropolis.

Oh that's the deal. Then it's fine.

Gen · Oct 10, 2003, 03:18 PM

Sadly, it was only a myth that this flag eliminates defence bonus and was classified as a common misconception after the tests

thestonesfan · Oct 10, 2003, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gen
Sadly, it was only a myth that this flag eliminates defence bonus and was classified as a common misconception after the tests

Huh? It's already in the game.

Roundman · Oct 10, 2003, 04:22 PM

If amphibous assaults get double strength in Conquests, the Beserker will be even more powerful. They'd get an attack of 12 in the Middle Ages, when the best defensive unit would have a defense of 4. That would make the Beserker exetemely powerful in any type of Archipelago game, possibly game breaking. I think that the amphibious assualt flag is good as is. Maybe Marines should just have their attack bonus moved up by 3 or 4 points.

Someone should mod a marine with 4 more attack points to see how much more useful it would make them.

MarineCorps · Oct 10, 2003, 04:46 PM

It doesn't make much of a differnce, trust me. I currently have Marines at 20.15.2, blitz, comes with computers.

Roundman · Oct 10, 2003, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarineCorps
It doesn't make much of a differnce, trust me. I currently have Marines at 20.15.2, blitz, comes with computers.

Wow, that's a strong unit. How many movement points did you give it? Did you raise the production cost? It seems to me that a unit that strong would be pretty dominant. It would be the swordsman of the modern age. Interesting.

Gen · Oct 11, 2003, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thestonesfan

Huh? It's already in the game.

No, it is not.
See this thread.

Jaybe · Oct 11, 2003, 11:37 AM

Use an Army of Marines (not mixed with Berserkers though).

Black Waltz · Oct 11, 2003, 08:52 PM

Well they would obviously not give Beserkers the added attack as they're fine the way they are.

Jon Shafer · Oct 12, 2003, 02:13 PM

Amphibious units do indeed get a bonus when attacking from the sea.

MarineCorps · Oct 12, 2003, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Roundman

Wow, that's a strong unit. Did you raise the production cost? Interesting.

Of course it's a strong unit, can you really expect any thing else from me?

Why would I do that?

If I did that I couldn't build large amounts of them

Oct 09, 2003, 11:38 PM	#1
Aussie_Lurker Deity Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 6,599	Attn Firaxis: Whats the deal with Marines and Amphibious Assault? If there are any Firaxis people around the place, I was hoping you could answer this VERY important question! When the new XP was first announced, one of the features I was MOST looking forward to was that Marines would have a combat bonus when performing amphibious assault! What I'd like to know is, will this still be the case, or has it been put off for a future XP or patch? Secondly, if this feature IS in, does this represent the start of similar combat bonuses, for other units, in future Patches and/or XP's? Any info you could give me on this matter would be VERY much appreciated !! Yours, Aussie_Lurker.

Oct 10, 2003, 02:19 AM	#2
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,577	Why should they have a combat bonus? The amphibous assault is combat bonus enough. It is confirmed that there are no combat bonuses of units versus specific units (pike v.s. mounted fi) btw. __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 10, 2003, 06:30 AM	#3
thestonesfan A Client of Ron Kuby Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,549	I read somewhere that they would have one - but I agree with Shabbaman in that the Amphibious Assault flag is a pretty substantial bonus. That said, the Marines are really weak stat-wise in the game. They're just not worth using. __________________ What a drag it is gettin' old.

Oct 10, 2003, 07:13 AM	#4
MarineCorps Tradition Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 8,185	they had better not have taken it out. The reason they get a bonous is because in real life Marines are the ones that do amphibious assaults. __________________ Hmmm, Civ mod hosting. Free hosting for your mod. No waiting times for downloads. Instant forum set up Storm Over Civ

Oct 10, 2003, 12:30 PM	#9
thestonesfan A Client of Ron Kuby Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,549	The "Amphibious Assault" flag, which is in the normal game, lets you attack as if the unit you were attacking had no defensive city bonuses. For example, If you attack a tank in a size 12 city, it disregards the big defensive bonus the tank gets for being in a metropolis. __________________ What a drag it is gettin' old.

Oct 10, 2003, 07:24 AM	#5
Patroklos Deity Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,524	special trianing for coastal areas as well

Oct 10, 2003, 11:53 AM	#7
Gen Prince Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Arcanus Posts: 518	Well, "C3C comprehensive feature list" thread states that marines indeed do get 2 x attack bonus when making amphibious assaults. I've also read that in some preview so it is rather for sure. Of course everything can change before final release, but I don't suppose this modification will.

Oct 10, 2003, 03:18 PM	#11
Gen Prince Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Arcanus Posts: 518	Sadly, it was only a myth that this flag eliminates defence bonus and was classified as a common misconception after the tests

Oct 10, 2003, 04:22 PM	#13
Roundman Old man Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland and Virginia Posts: 519	If amphibous assaults get double strength in Conquests, the Beserker will be even more powerful. They'd get an attack of 12 in the Middle Ages, when the best defensive unit would have a defense of 4. That would make the Beserker exetemely powerful in any type of Archipelago game, possibly game breaking. I think that the amphibious assualt flag is good as is. Maybe Marines should just have their attack bonus moved up by 3 or 4 points. Someone should mod a marine with 4 more attack points to see how much more useful it would make them.

Oct 10, 2003, 04:46 PM	#14
MarineCorps Tradition Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 8,185	It doesn't make much of a differnce, trust me. I currently have Marines at 20.15.2, blitz, comes with computers. __________________ Hmmm, Civ mod hosting. Free hosting for your mod. No waiting times for downloads. Instant forum set up Storm Over Civ

Oct 11, 2003, 11:37 AM	#17
Jaybe Emperor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 1,759	Use an Army of Marines (not mixed with Berserkers though). __________________ Gameplay may trump realism, but gameplay WITH realism trumps gameplay without!

Oct 11, 2003, 08:52 PM	#18
Black Waltz Prince Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 569	Well they would obviously not give Beserkers the added attack as they're fine the way they are.

Oct 12, 2003, 02:13 PM	#19
Jon Shafer Conifer Games President Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,049	Amphibious units do indeed get a bonus when attacking from the sea. __________________ Check out At the Gates, my new 4X game!

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