Diplomacy screen with >7 players

Dyolf Knip · Oct 12, 2003, 05:34 PM

So I started my first game with 16 players. Me and 15 dumber-than-dirt AI's. As soon as I'd met more than 6 of them, I noticed something which has become _extremely_ aggravating. The Diplomacy screen will not show more than 6 of the other civs, and always the same 6. So now I'm sitting here, I have no idea if I'm still at war with the Babylonians, and even though I have an embassy with them, I can't talk to them because there don't happen to be any of their units visible right now. I certainly can't see who they're at war with. And this goes for 9 of the 15 AI's.

Is there some keyboard shortcut or setting or something that I'm missing? Because this strikes me as an unbelievably hideous oversight in testing. I haven't been able to find any previous mention of this on this forum.

Also, is it at all possible to remove units from an army after they've joined?

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Dyolf Knip

Strider · Oct 12, 2003, 05:38 PM

No you can not remove units from an army after they'd been joined.

Also, In the bottom right hand cornor (next to where it shows all of your gold) there are several little buttons on them. (D, E, P, S, and H) If you click on the D it will pop-up a "diplomacy" screen that shows ALL of the civs and wether your at peace or war with them. You also just have to double-click on one of there names and it lets you talk to them.

Superevie · Oct 12, 2003, 05:39 PM

You can change the army members if you can put the Army in one of your cities. You can load an reload there.

warpstorm · Oct 12, 2003, 05:58 PM

In addition, you can switch out which 7 are active at any time using a shift-right click on the leaderhead (on the F4 display). If you have PTW, there is a button that does the same thing. Is this cumbersome? Yes, IMNSHO it is and I've told Firaxis about it many, many times (I'll fix it for ya).

I always use the little 'D' button previously mentioned.

The Army bug has been fixed on the version I'm playing, but older patches had a bug that allowed you unload units from an Army.

Gengis Khan · Oct 12, 2003, 06:35 PM

Plus you can always just hit "shift d" to bring up diplomacy.

Do you really have a mod to change the foreign advisor interface warpstorm??

Dyolf Knip · Oct 12, 2003, 07:02 PM

Strider: Thanks, that worked. Of course, I can't tell who's at war with whom...

Superevie: How's that work, exactly?

warpstorm: Wait a sec. They took the ability to modify armies _out_? What in god's name for? Is there any point whatsoever in forbidding me from so much as upgrading the units in them?

I've been a Civ fan for as long as it's been around, but I'm beginning to wonder if Firaxis actually bothered to play test this thing.

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Dyolf Knip

Gengis Khan · Oct 12, 2003, 07:09 PM

The ability to upgrade armies was taken out. Its way too powerful if you can upgrade units you put into armies, or sub them in & out whenever you want.

If you hold shift when you click on each leaders face(on teh foreign advisor screen) it will "toggle" that leader & leave all others already selected as well. This allows you to check out up to 7 leaders relationships with each other all at once in a cool spider pattern.

Superevie · Oct 13, 2003, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dyolf Knip

Superevie: How's that work, exactly?

Hey,

Well, if you want to upgrade the units in your army, first move your army into one of your cities that also must have barracks. There will be a button that says "unload" on the bottom part of your screen. Unload all of your units and "hold" the army there with the space bar for a turn. Then, on your next turn, you'll have each of the three members of the army selected one after the other and just hit "U" (shift + U if you have other units of the same time sitting in cities with barracks). It will upgrade for a certain amount of gold. On the next turn (upgrading takes a turn) just hit the "load" button on the bottom of your screen when the units you upgraded are selected again. Simple enough? Upgrading an army takes several turns, but taking that time is better than losing your army in combat due to weak units.

warpstorm · Oct 13, 2003, 09:52 AM

Yes, they took it out. It was a bug and they didn't want it. It made armies too powerful. In addition, since it was a bug the AI wouldn't know to do this making them even weaker than they already were.

Oct 12, 2003, 05:34 PM	#1
Dyolf Knip Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2	Diplomacy screen with >7 players So I started my first game with 16 players. Me and 15 dumber-than-dirt AI's. As soon as I'd met more than 6 of them, I noticed something which has become _extremely_ aggravating. The Diplomacy screen will not show more than 6 of the other civs, and always the same 6. So now I'm sitting here, I have no idea if I'm still at war with the Babylonians, and even though I have an embassy with them, I can't talk to them because there don't happen to be any of their units visible right now. I certainly can't see who they're at war with. And this goes for 9 of the 15 AI's. Is there some keyboard shortcut or setting or something that I'm missing? Because this strikes me as an unbelievably hideous oversight in testing. I haven't been able to find any previous mention of this on this forum. Also, is it at all possible to remove units from an army after they've joined? -- Dyolf Knip

Oct 12, 2003, 05:38 PM	#2
Strider In Retrospect Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 8,976	No you can not remove units from an army after they'd been joined. Also, In the bottom right hand cornor (next to where it shows all of your gold) there are several little buttons on them. (D, E, P, S, and H) If you click on the D it will pop-up a "diplomacy" screen that shows ALL of the civs and wether your at peace or war with them. You also just have to double-click on one of there names and it lets you talk to them. __________________ We pen our fates on the parchment of time. While turning to pages yet unwritten. But do our stories end once the ink has dried? Are the echoes of history all that remain of the past? #454158

Oct 12, 2003, 05:58 PM	#4
warpstorm Yumbo? Yumbo! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snack Food Capital of the World Posts: 7,687	In addition, you can switch out which 7 are active at any time using a shift-right click on the leaderhead (on the F4 display). If you have PTW, there is a button that does the same thing. Is this cumbersome? Yes, IMNSHO it is and I've told Firaxis about it many, many times (I'll fix it for ya). I always use the little 'D' button previously mentioned. The Army bug has been fixed on the version I'm playing, but older patches had a bug that allowed you unload units from an Army. __________________ "Perfection is attained, not when no more can be added, but when no more can be removed." The opinions expressed herein are my own personal opinions and do not represent my employer's view in any way

Oct 13, 2003, 09:52 AM	#9
warpstorm Yumbo? Yumbo! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snack Food Capital of the World Posts: 7,687	Yes, they took it out. It was a bug and they didn't want it. It made armies too powerful. In addition, since it was a bug the AI wouldn't know to do this making them even weaker than they already were. __________________ "Perfection is attained, not when no more can be added, but when no more can be removed." The opinions expressed herein are my own personal opinions and do not represent my employer's view in any way

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Oct 12, 2003, 05:39 PM	#3
Superevie Latina Goddess™ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wishing I Was Here Posts: 1,963	You can change the army members if you can put the Army in one of your cities. You can load an reload there.

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Gengis Khan Deity Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 2,760	Plus you can always just hit "shift d" to bring up diplomacy. Do you really have a mod to change the foreign advisor interface warpstorm??

Oct 12, 2003, 07:02 PM	#6
Dyolf Knip Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2	Strider: Thanks, that worked. Of course, I can't tell who's at war with whom... Superevie: How's that work, exactly? warpstorm: Wait a sec. They took the ability to modify armies _out_? What in god's name for? Is there any point whatsoever in forbidding me from so much as upgrading the units in them? I've been a Civ fan for as long as it's been around, but I'm beginning to wonder if Firaxis actually bothered to play test this thing. -- Dyolf Knip

Oct 12, 2003, 07:09 PM	#7
Gengis Khan Deity Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 2,760	The ability to upgrade armies was taken out. Its way too powerful if you can upgrade units you put into armies, or sub them in & out whenever you want. If you hold shift when you click on each leaders face(on teh foreign advisor screen) it will "toggle" that leader & leave all others already selected as well. This allows you to check out up to 7 leaders relationships with each other all at once in a cool spider pattern.

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