Are you using explorers more?

Smellincoffee · Dec 03, 2003, 11:32 AM

Due to Conquest's pushing back the ability to trade world maps, are you using explorers more than you did? I never used to make explorers, except for pillaging purposes, but in my recent game, I used them to scout out the entire enemy continent. This meant that I held something over the AI- I didn't need to include world maps as part of tech deals.

Arathorn · Dec 03, 2003, 12:03 PM

No, I've not been using explorers more, myself. I still find it more efficient to purchase maps and resell them immediately, as opposed to taking time to explore and saving value.

That's just me, though. I don't know if anybody's played enough to determine if one strategy is better than the other.

Arathorn

Master Shake · Dec 03, 2003, 01:16 PM

I don't see how the change really helps. Explorers and Map trading are just one tech away from each other. I could build an explorer and explore a tiny bit before trading maps, but that doesn't seem too efficient.

-mS

Fanny Brice · Dec 03, 2003, 02:00 PM

No -- haven't found a need for them. I think the pushing back of map trading makes the game better, but I still usually have explored a great deal of the world before hand. Part unexplored are usually occupied and of little interest to me.

I would build them... but then you have to get them to a boat, get them to that part of the world you want to explore, etc. By then I have satellites... ahahah.

raen · Dec 03, 2003, 02:10 PM

Well playing with Portugal I never explored so much in civilization

scouts in land and curraghs in sea

When I get the Nau then I can go anywhere and explore unknown lands

Bobisback · Dec 03, 2003, 02:32 PM

no I do not use them that much, see no point.

Portuguese · Dec 03, 2003, 02:55 PM

I've never played an Expansionist Civ before, and I've only played Port since... Did this answer the question?

Don't see the point?
Consider the # of possible free techs and settlers/cities!!!

cgannon64 · Dec 03, 2003, 03:11 PM

No, by then I've explored all the territory myself or I don't really care about it. I don't really care unless its a neighbor or a civ close to me. If they're on the other side of the continent, I just want to get the gernal gist of the size of their territory.

troytheface · Dec 03, 2003, 04:51 PM

play spain alot, and that meanss conquistidors!

kring · Dec 04, 2003, 12:05 AM

I never built them before Conquests, and I still don't build them.

Pre-Conquests, I always explored the map on my own using the fastest units I could build.

Masquerouge · Dec 04, 2003, 12:19 AM

I never used them and still don't... The conscript warriors you get from goody huts are good enough for that, IMHO. Even on huge maps. And when they're too far away to be of any use, I just fortify them so they'll serve as some kind of alarm when an AI civ comes y !

Eastern Knight · Dec 04, 2003, 02:57 AM

No, never have, never will. Maybe I build one of them after winning a game to see the animations, pretty interesting.

Brewster · Dec 04, 2003, 03:31 AM

I only build them for pillaging purposes. If you load three explorers into an army you will have the ultimate pillaging machine.

Frimlin · Dec 04, 2003, 04:28 AM

I've not yet started using Explorers more, no. But like Portuguese, I've definitely been using the Curraghs to scout ahead.

I tend to only ever make one or two Explorers -- they can sometimes be quite handy to quickly send into enemy territory, pillage an important improvement, and then get away without any damage. But obviously this doesn't work on higher levels where the important resources are all defended...

I can see Explorers might come in handy charting a massive continent if you were playing on a Huge map with say only one other civilization. Even if you trade maps there's no way you're going to map those big continents without someone like an Explorer physically going there and viewing it.

Personally I never play maps like that -- but who knows, I might find the Explorer comes in more handy... I've hardly played enough C3C games yet to tell for sure!

pjmcb · Dec 04, 2003, 08:27 AM

The problem with explorers is linked to a larger gameplay problem.

If I leave an area, on foot or by boat, and begin exploring, especially in the first two ages of the game, knowledge of what I find should not be available to my civ until I return to one of its connected (i.e., by roadway) cities.

All tiles I explore should be immediately swallowed up by the Fog-of-War as I leave thier visibility range.

And if I trade world maps, only geographic info that has made it back to my capital should be included in the map I give to the opposing civ (and vice versa).

This would make speedy explorers much more valuable...

Dec 03, 2003, 11:32 AM	#1
Smellincoffee Trekkie At Large Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Montevallo (AL-USA) Posts: 5,053 Images: 2	Are you using explorers more? Due to Conquest's pushing back the ability to trade world maps, are you using explorers more than you did? I never used to make explorers, except for pillaging purposes, but in my recent game, I used them to scout out the entire enemy continent. This meant that I held something over the AI- I didn't need to include world maps as part of tech deals. __________________ "John Henry said to his captain, 'A man ain't nothin' but a man -- but before I let your steam drill beat me down, I'd die with a hammer in my hand.'" (The Ballad of John Henry) This Week at the Library \| Rebuild America: Build Strong Towns \| Let Me Be Frank... \| Thanks to Mistfit for the avatar!

Dec 03, 2003, 12:03 PM	#2
Arathorn Catan player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,767	No, I've not been using explorers more, myself. I still find it more efficient to purchase maps and resell them immediately, as opposed to taking time to explore and saving value. That's just me, though. I don't know if anybody's played enough to determine if one strategy is better than the other. Arathorn __________________ "All that is gold does not glitter..." Civ4 - LotR Series of Succession Games LotR27 Science-Scorning Spacists Passing the Torch Old Civ3 stuff - Variants Sid Always War LotR Series of SGs

Dec 03, 2003, 02:32 PM	#6
Bobisback Emperor Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,100	no I do not use them that much, see no point. __________________ My three rules of engament: no your enemy, no where your enemy is, no how to kill your enemy. Airsoft the coolset new sport Check it out http:\\www.hobbyasia.com

Dec 03, 2003, 02:55 PM	#7
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,849	I've never played an Expansionist Civ before, and I've only played Port since... Did this answer the question? Don't see the point? Consider the # of possible free techs and settlers/cities!!! __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Dec 03, 2003, 03:11 PM	#8
cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hipster-Authorland, Brooklyn (Hell) Posts: 19,213	No, by then I've explored all the territory myself or I don't really care about it. I don't really care unless its a neighbor or a civ close to me. If they're on the other side of the continent, I just want to get the gernal gist of the size of their territory. __________________ "Where can we hide in fair weather, we orphans of the storm?"

Dec 03, 2003, 01:16 PM	#3
Master Shake Warlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 165	I don't see how the change really helps. Explorers and Map trading are just one tech away from each other. I could build an explorer and explore a tiny bit before trading maps, but that doesn't seem too efficient. -mS

Dec 03, 2003, 02:00 PM	#4
Fanny Brice Prince Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 333	No -- haven't found a need for them. I think the pushing back of map trading makes the game better, but I still usually have explored a great deal of the world before hand. Part unexplored are usually occupied and of little interest to me. I would build them... but then you have to get them to a boat, get them to that part of the world you want to explore, etc. By then I have satellites... ahahah.

Dec 03, 2003, 02:10 PM	#5
raen Coat of Arms Join Date: May 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 1,216	Well playing with Portugal I never explored so much in civilization scouts in land and curraghs in sea When I get the Nau then I can go anywhere and explore unknown lands

Dec 03, 2003, 04:51 PM	#9
troytheface Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,262	play spain alot, and that meanss conquistidors!

Dec 04, 2003, 12:05 AM	#10
kring Asst Cook & Bottle Washer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita,KS,USA Posts: 1,199	I never built them before Conquests, and I still don't build them. Pre-Conquests, I always explored the map on my own using the fastest units I could build. __________________ Looking for cIV and Civ3 terrain and resource mods. 1.52 1.29f 1.27f 1.22

Dec 04, 2003, 12:19 AM	#11
Masquerouge Deity Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 17,780	I never used them and still don't... The conscript warriors you get from goody huts are good enough for that, IMHO. Even on huge maps. And when they're too far away to be of any use, I just fortify them so they'll serve as some kind of alarm when an AI civ comes y ! __________________

Dec 04, 2003, 02:57 AM	#12
Eastern Knight Dragons! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 1,043	No, never have, never will. Maybe I build one of them after winning a game to see the animations, pretty interesting.

Dec 04, 2003, 03:31 AM	#13
Brewster stays crunchy in milk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Victoria, Canada Posts: 1,079	I only build them for pillaging purposes. If you load three explorers into an army you will have the ultimate pillaging machine. __________________ Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. I am an addict and Civ is my crack.

Dec 04, 2003, 04:28 AM	#14
Frimlin Wandering Wizard Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Versailles, France. Posts: 517	I've not yet started using Explorers more, no. But like Portuguese, I've definitely been using the Curraghs to scout ahead. I tend to only ever make one or two Explorers -- they can sometimes be quite handy to quickly send into enemy territory, pillage an important improvement, and then get away without any damage. But obviously this doesn't work on higher levels where the important resources are all defended... I can see Explorers might come in handy charting a massive continent if you were playing on a Huge map with say only one other civilization. Even if you trade maps there's no way you're going to map those big continents without someone like an Explorer physically going there and viewing it. Personally I never play maps like that -- but who knows, I might find the Explorer comes in more handy... I've hardly played enough C3C games yet to tell for sure! __________________ Frimlin =-=-========>=>>

Dec 04, 2003, 08:27 AM	#15
pjmcb Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	The problem with explorers is linked to a larger gameplay problem. If I leave an area, on foot or by boat, and begin exploring, especially in the first two ages of the game, knowledge of what I find should not be available to my civ until I return to one of its connected (i.e., by roadway) cities. All tiles I explore should be immediately swallowed up by the Fog-of-War as I leave thier visibility range. And if I trade world maps, only geographic info that has made it back to my capital should be included in the map I give to the opposing civ (and vice versa). This would make speedy explorers much more valuable... Last edited by pjmcb; Dec 04, 2003 at 08:51 AM.

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