Is Chess a Sport¿

Dark Archer · Dec 15, 2003, 04:08 PM

Vote here to see if chess is or is not a sport.

Inter4 · Dec 15, 2003, 05:37 PM

Hello Dark Archer and welcome to CFC.

I think it is a sport, but it depends on how you define sport.

Mega Tsunami · Dec 15, 2003, 10:54 PM

I personally don't think it is, no more than Civ is a sport. They are both just games.

col · Dec 16, 2003, 12:58 AM

No its a game. Sport should involve some manual dexterity.

prettyvacant · Dec 16, 2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by col
No its a game. Sport should involve some manual dexterity.

but that could include darts - which imo is a game. Sports without hands - hmm there must be some, anyway isnt a reasonable level of physical fitness nedded?

WickedSmurf · Dec 16, 2003, 01:25 AM

Chess is a board game.

col · Dec 16, 2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by prettyvacant

but that could include darts - which imo is a game. Sports without hands - hmm there must be some, anyway isnt a reasonable level of physical fitness nedded?

Yes - I'd argue for darts being a sport. It is in the same category of sports as bowls, curling, archery, shooting and other target sports. That probably means snooker is a sport too.

I think physical skill should be involved but not necessarily physical strength.

Darkness · Dec 16, 2003, 06:39 AM

It all depends on your definition of sport...

col · Dec 16, 2003, 06:49 AM

Isnt that the point? What is your definition of sport?

Darkness · Dec 16, 2003, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by col
Isnt that the point? What is your definition of sport?

I thought the point was if chess was a sport?

My definition of sport:

"Competitive event, with a documented set of rules, enforced by an officail, requiring skill, talent and training to perform at a high level"

Which makes chess a sport, IMHO...

Lambert Simnel · Dec 16, 2003, 07:12 AM

Ah, semantic quibbling, the sport of the gods.

Or should that be....

col · Dec 16, 2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Lambert Simnel
Ah, semantic quibbling, the sport of the gods.

Always good for heated discussion.

Stapel · Dec 16, 2003, 09:06 AM

Though I can agree with Darkness' defenition, I think it can be said a lot easier:

Any competitive event is sport. And thus so is the training before.

I have played football, hockey, bridge, chess and conducted in official classic rallies. I consider all of them sports.

The only exception I'd like to make, is jury sports! That is absolutely ridiculous. It should be banned (just like using the term soccer).
I have no problems with a referee that checks the behaviour of players. There will always be mistakes.
But a complete subjective jury, like in figure skating or snowboard free style.....

Håkon · Dec 16, 2003, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Stapel
Though I can agree with Darkness' defenition, I think it can be said a lot easier:

Any competitive event is sport. And thus so is the training before.

I have played football, hockey, bridge, chess and conducted in official classic rallies. I consider all of them sports.

The only exception I'd like to make, is jury sports! That is absolutely ridiculous. It should be banned (just like using the term soccer).
I have no problems with a referee that checks the behaviour of players. There will always be mistakes.
But a complete subjective jury, like in figure skating or snowboard free style.....

Yeah, chess is really a sport IMO too.

However, on the jury sports, I beg to differ. Of course a jury can make mistakes, and can be bribed, but they are generally trustworthy. This is usually ascertained (for want of a better word) by removing the highest and lowest marks, or as in figure skating nowadays, by a computer picking a certain amount of judges randomly. The jury in a sport like ski jumping for example (which will mean nothing to you since you're Dutch, but never mind) consist of five judges completely separate from each other. Three of them count, but you never know which of the three, because highest and lowest marks are disregarded. And the judges are from five different nations as well (although I rarely see judges giving better marks to their athletes - not more than what should be accepted). And diving - that certainly requires great skill, that shouldn't be considered a sport? There is no other way of measuring how "good" a dive is, other by what impression it makes on other people, therefore the judges and the jury is needed.

Stapel · Dec 16, 2003, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Håkon

Yeah, chess is really a sport IMO too.

However, on the jury sports, I beg to differ. Of course a jury can make mistakes, and can be bribed, but they are generally trustworthy. This is usually ascertained (for want of a better word) by removing the highest and lowest marks, or as in figure skating nowadays, by a computer picking a certain amount of judges randomly. The jury in a sport like ski jumping for example (which will mean nothing to you since you're Dutch, but never mind) consist of five judges completely separate from each other. Three of them count, but you never know which of the three, because highest and lowest marks are disregarded. And the judges are from five different nations as well (although I rarely see judges giving better marks to their athletes - not more than what should be accepted). And diving - that certainly requires great skill, that shouldn't be considered a sport? There is no other way of measuring how "good" a dive is, other by what impression it makes on other people, therefore the judges and the jury is needed.

Hey, since I can remember I watch Garmisch on january the 1st!

But, I think the jury part should vanish!
Especially ski jumping is the perfect example! Remember the first V-jumps?

Point made!

I think that if a game is over, the winner should be known! If the result is not clear, because we have to wait for the jury.... Man then something is wrong!

Håkon · Dec 16, 2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Stapel

Hey, since I can remember I watch Garmisch on january the 1st!

But, I think the jury part should vanish!
Especially ski jumping is the perfect example! Remember the first V-jumps?

Point made!

I think that if a game is over, the winner should be known! If the result is not clear, because we have to wait for the jury.... Man then something is wrong!

Didn't know that was part of your New Year's tradition as well, I just assumed that because you had no good athletes you didn't watch it. There were even some Austrian guy who jumped for Netherlands a couple of years ago

- think his mum was Dutch or something.

Anyway, to your point, the V-jumps weren't as stylish (according to the judges - I think they're much nicer), but the jumpers used them because they got more points for length. The jury eventually realised that it was just as nice, and gave them points for it.

And besides, in ski jumping you still have to wait for the lengths to be measured - in fact, often that is what takes the longest time these days, not setting marks from the judges.

If a guy gets a really good jump, far down the hill, but fails to land properly and waves his arms a lot, he shouldn't get as many points as a guy who has perfectly straight arms, does a great landing etc. IMO. But I have a feeling I won't convince you...

bobgote · Dec 16, 2003, 02:26 PM

not a sport, unless it's the speed chess one. that was going nuts! trying to move so fast they knocked over pieces trying to take their turn. now that makes a sport!

but in reality, no, it's not a sport. not a physical game.

da_greatest · Dec 16, 2003, 02:30 PM

I don't think it is a sport, because you don't have to be athletic.

CaptainCivFreak · Dec 16, 2003, 03:54 PM

I don't really think so, its just my opinion though...

Aramazd · Dec 16, 2003, 09:54 PM

Chess is probably a sport

View Poll Results: Is chess a sport
Yes	10	26.32%
No	28	73.68%
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Dec 15, 2003, 04:08 PM	#1
Dark Archer Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 26	Is Chess a Sport¿ Vote here to see if chess is or is not a sport.

Dec 15, 2003, 05:37 PM	#2
Inter4 Forza Inter! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South FL Posts: 3,478	Hello Dark Archer and welcome to CFC. I think it is a sport, but it depends on how you define sport. __________________ ''Nascerà qui, al ristorante ''L'orologio", ritrovo di artisti e sarà sempre una squadra di talento. Questa notte splendida darà i colori al nostro stemma: il nero e l'azzurro sullo sfondo d'oro delle stelle. Si chiamerà Internazionale, perchè noi siamo fratelli del mondo.'' - 9 Marzo 1908

Dec 15, 2003, 10:54 PM	#3
Mega Tsunami Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,285	I personally don't think it is, no more than Civ is a sport. They are both just games. __________________ At Downing Street upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't Blair. He wasn't Blair again today, Oh how I wish he'd go away...

Dec 16, 2003, 12:58 AM	#4
col Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sunny Scarborough Posts: 5,806	No its a game. Sport should involve some manual dexterity. __________________ Extensive research has shown that ... ... sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Dec 16, 2003, 01:25 AM	#6
WickedSmurf pr0 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: imaginationland Posts: 2,995	Chess is a board game. __________________ Scissors: "Rock is OP! Nerf Rock!" Paper: "I think Rock is just fine."

Dec 16, 2003, 06:39 AM	#8
Darkness Shadow creature Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: www.CivDuelZone.com Posts: 6,530	It all depends on your definition of sport... __________________ Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. Charles Darwin - The Origin of Species PBEM and Pitboss spoilers at www.civduelzone.com/Darkness' House of Horrors

Dec 16, 2003, 06:49 AM	#9
col Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sunny Scarborough Posts: 5,806	Isnt that the point? What is your definition of sport? __________________ Extensive research has shown that ... ... sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Dec 16, 2003, 07:12 AM	#11
Lambert Simnel One across Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Winterhold Posts: 4,962	Ah, semantic quibbling, the sport of the gods. Or should that be.... __________________ Ring the bells that still can ring Forget your perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in.

Dec 16, 2003, 09:06 AM	#13
Stapel FIAT 850 coupé Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 's-Gravenhage Posts: 11,026	Though I can agree with Darkness' defenition, I think it can be said a lot easier: Any competitive event is sport. And thus so is the training before. I have played football, hockey, bridge, chess and conducted in official classic rallies. I consider all of them sports. The only exception I'd like to make, is jury sports! That is absolutely ridiculous. It should be banned (just like using the term soccer). I have no problems with a referee that checks the behaviour of players. There will always be mistakes. But a complete subjective jury, like in figure skating or snowboard free style..... __________________ *Stapel got married on 17 may 2008!* Ottocentocinquanta

Dec 16, 2003, 02:26 PM	#17
bobgote Trousers Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, VIC Posts: 4,786	not a sport, unless it's the speed chess one. that was going nuts! trying to move so fast they knocked over pieces trying to take their turn. now that makes a sport! but in reality, no, it's not a sport. not a physical game.

Dec 16, 2003, 02:30 PM	#18
da_greatest deity Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 311	I don't think it is a sport, because you don't have to be athletic.

Dec 16, 2003, 03:54 PM	#19
CaptainCivFreak Arsenal Gunner Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Arizona, United States Posts: 206	I don't really think so, its just my opinion though...

Dec 16, 2003, 09:54 PM	#20
Aramazd Deity Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 3,726	Chess is probably a sport

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