New FP/Palace placement strategy required

watorrey · Dec 23, 2003, 04:40 PM

With the latest change, it appears my old habit of building the FP close to the Palace and then moving the Palace later with a MGL is no longer a good idea.

How about this as one idea:
a) Rebuild the Palace, if required, in an optimal location in/around your core cities.

b) Use expendable cities to move the FP around as the empire expands.

Any thoughts?

troytheface · Dec 23, 2003, 05:08 PM

the new strategy is to keep building palaces and Forbidden palaces and Secret police head quarters all over the place in mad random glee until they come out with a working patch. That's my strategy.

gunnerxtr · Dec 23, 2003, 05:52 PM

im still unsure about what they are fixing. it seems to me that corruption in GENERAL is a lot worse than it was in PTW or vanilla, so my question is are they lowering corruption or just the FP bug?

heres an example: in my latest PATCHED game my 2nd city one that was built 3 tiles away from my capital has corruption. why is this?

cgannon64 · Dec 23, 2003, 06:29 PM

Well in my current game (which uses the beta patch) I'll probalby just build the FP close to my core to extend it a little bit.

My normal strategy was to build the FP relatively close to the capital and possibly move the palace later. Hopefully I won't have to change this, because hopefully they will fix it.

ainwood · Dec 23, 2003, 10:03 PM

If it is, as the initial thoughts appear, then there is a case for optimisation.

If the FP simply changes rank corruption and has no effect on distance corruption, then the FP location will have to be very carefully chosen. Maybe a double-ring core on the center. I might have a play later.

Brewster · Dec 24, 2003, 03:39 AM

I'm not too sure exactly how the FP affects corruption but it does not work like it did in Civ3 and PTW. AFAIK, the location of the FP is not important as it seems to lower the overall corruption around the Palace. I will try to move the Palace to a central location in my empire and build the FP in any location.

BTW: I like the old system of corruption but will hold off on commenting on the new system until more is learned.

joycem10 · Dec 24, 2003, 06:46 AM

i liked the old system better as well and Im hoping that this is just a bug in the beta patch. why change this feature, was anyone clamoring for more corruption?

warpstorm · Dec 24, 2003, 07:22 AM

This FP does work better than the pre-patch version. It is different. I'm not sure if I like it better or worse, yet. This will take a few games.

Master Shake · Dec 24, 2003, 07:53 AM

Does it matter where you build it?

Dec 24, 2003, 08:18 AM

According to my test, it doesn't matter in the slightest. It just counts as another palace in your capitol. I may be wrong, but I don't think so...

cgannon64 · Dec 24, 2003, 09:02 AM

How does it exactly work then? I was under the impression that it acted like the old FP but it didn't reduce corruption as much.

But apparently it doubles the effect of the palace? If it does double the effect, does it matter how far away the FP is? For example, could it be on another continent and still double the effect of the palace?

I'm getting close to building an FP in my current game and the game is going very well, so I'd like to know how it works.

ERIKK · Dec 24, 2003, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gainy bo
According to my test, it doesn't matter in the slightest. It just counts as another palace in your capitol. I may be wrong, but I don't think so...

I did a simple test in the editor too but my result is that the location does matter. Load this biq and see that the cities west of Neapolis have less corruption than the cities east of Rome on comparable distance (compare Hispalis and Pompeii with Pisea and Ravenna).

Dec 24, 2003, 11:36 AM

I can't look at the save ERIKK (too much hassle to transfer between pc's), but i'll take your word for it

I was under the impression of --

Quote:

Originally posted by Gainy bo
I've done my own testing, and it turns out what anarres said was true, although I didn't really understand what he was saying at the time.
The FP doubles the affect of the palace in your capitol city - as if there were two palaces there. Hence, the corruption in the FP city does not go down as dramatically as expected (although it does decrease). As does the corruption in the other cities.
This makes the FP still worth building (and should be quite easy to amend by Fixaxis) -- it shouldn't matter where you build it

initially... I must be wrong though

Dec 23, 2003, 04:40 PM	#1
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	New FP/Palace placement strategy required With the latest change, it appears my old habit of building the FP close to the Palace and then moving the Palace later with a MGL is no longer a good idea. How about this as one idea: a) Rebuild the Palace, if required, in an optimal location in/around your core cities. b) Use expendable cities to move the FP around as the empire expands. Any thoughts?

Dec 23, 2003, 06:29 PM	#4
cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hipster-Authorland, Brooklyn (Hell) Posts: 19,213	Well in my current game (which uses the beta patch) I'll probalby just build the FP close to my core to extend it a little bit. My normal strategy was to build the FP relatively close to the capital and possibly move the palace later. Hopefully I won't have to change this, because hopefully they will fix it. __________________ "Where can we hide in fair weather, we orphans of the storm?"

Dec 23, 2003, 10:03 PM	#5
ainwood Watching. Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 27,516	If it is, as the initial thoughts appear, then there is a case for optimisation. If the FP simply changes rank corruption and has no effect on distance corruption, then the FP location will have to be very carefully chosen. Maybe a double-ring core on the center. I might have a play later. __________________ Civ5 Tech Support FAQs \| Bug Report Forum \| Tech Support Forum

Dec 24, 2003, 03:39 AM	#6
Brewster stays crunchy in milk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Victoria, Canada Posts: 1,079	I'm not too sure exactly how the FP affects corruption but it does not work like it did in Civ3 and PTW. AFAIK, the location of the FP is not important as it seems to lower the overall corruption around the Palace. I will try to move the Palace to a central location in my empire and build the FP in any location. BTW: I like the old system of corruption but will hold off on commenting on the new system until more is learned. __________________ Give a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life. I am an addict and Civ is my crack.

Dec 24, 2003, 07:22 AM	#8
warpstorm Yumbo? Yumbo! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snack Food Capital of the World Posts: 7,687	This FP does work better than the pre-patch version. It is different. I'm not sure if I like it better or worse, yet. This will take a few games. __________________ "Perfection is attained, not when no more can be added, but when no more can be removed." The opinions expressed herein are my own personal opinions and do not represent my employer's view in any way

Dec 23, 2003, 05:08 PM	#2
troytheface Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,262	the new strategy is to keep building palaces and Forbidden palaces and Secret police head quarters all over the place in mad random glee until they come out with a working patch. That's my strategy.

Dec 23, 2003, 05:52 PM	#3
gunnerxtr King Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 700	im still unsure about what they are fixing. it seems to me that corruption in GENERAL is a lot worse than it was in PTW or vanilla, so my question is are they lowering corruption or just the FP bug? heres an example: in my latest PATCHED game my 2nd city one that was built 3 tiles away from my capital has corruption. why is this?

Dec 24, 2003, 06:46 AM	#7
joycem10 Deity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 2,352	i liked the old system better as well and Im hoping that this is just a bug in the beta patch. why change this feature, was anyone clamoring for more corruption?

Dec 24, 2003, 07:53 AM	#9
Master Shake Warlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 165	Does it matter where you build it?

Dec 24, 2003, 08:18 AM	#10
Gainy Guest Posts: n/a	According to my test, it doesn't matter in the slightest. It just counts as another palace in your capitol. I may be wrong, but I don't think so...

Dec 24, 2003, 09:02 AM	#11
cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hipster-Authorland, Brooklyn (Hell) Posts: 19,213	How does it exactly work then? I was under the impression that it acted like the old FP but it didn't reduce corruption as much. But apparently it doubles the effect of the palace? If it does double the effect, does it matter how far away the FP is? For example, could it be on another continent and still double the effect of the palace? I'm getting close to building an FP in my current game and the game is going very well, so I'd like to know how it works. __________________ "Where can we hide in fair weather, we orphans of the storm?"

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