Have you ever destroyed a Wonder?

Fanny Brice · Dec 30, 2003, 08:39 AM

Just Wondering...

I've never seen a Great Wonder destroyed in Civ3. Have you ever seen a Wonder destroyed or destroyed one yourself?

What happens to your reputation if you intentionally destroy a Wonder?

Now that volcanos are in the game, I imagine there is a chance of a Wonder getting destroyed at least accidentally.

Yumbo · Dec 30, 2003, 08:44 AM

I've razed cities which contained wonders in the late game. I dind't notice any particular reputation hit.

Gogf · Dec 30, 2003, 08:45 AM

Why exactly would you do this except in an 0CC? If you destroy a wonder, can it be rebuilt?

Civrules · Dec 30, 2003, 08:51 AM

Exactly, if you destroy it, it can never be rebuilt.

wilbill · Dec 30, 2003, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gogf
Why exactly would you do this except in an 0CC? If you destroy a wonder, can it be rebuilt?

You might do it if you're going for a conquest victory and trying to avoid domination conditions. I believe I've read that you can't rebuild a destroyed wonder.

Yumbo · Dec 30, 2003, 08:58 AM

You might also do it if you've captured a city deep enough into your enemy's territory that you don't think you can hold it or keep it from culture flipping, but you don't want your enemy to have access to the wonder either. So you raze the city...

KingBruiser · Dec 30, 2003, 09:33 AM

I Always keep some wonders.. just Raze the pointless wonders.

Gogf · Dec 30, 2003, 09:48 AM

Yes, that's true Yumbo. I've done that with an AI capital.

Gogf · Dec 30, 2003, 09:49 AM

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Capt Buttkick · Dec 30, 2003, 10:23 AM

I've bombarded the Great Wall to pieces.
I guess I missed a patch somewhere lol

USC · Dec 30, 2003, 10:29 AM

Nope, it's still in the current version AFAIK. Should be fixed in the Spring patch.

Gogf · Dec 30, 2003, 10:33 AM

@Capt Buttkick: Someone's done that to a Palace.

IglooDude · Dec 30, 2003, 12:01 PM

Along the same lines, if you destroy a wonder that gives temples/granaries/barracks/research labs/whatever to a number of cities, do the wonder-created temples/granaries/etc stay around or do they go away when the wonder does?

ststeven11 · Dec 30, 2003, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by IglooDude
Along the same lines, if you destroy a wonder that gives temples/granaries/barracks/research labs/whatever to a number of cities, do the wonder-created temples/granaries/etc stay around or do they go away when the wonder does?

They go away, IIRC.

cgannon64 · Dec 30, 2003, 12:57 PM

The only rep hit you get is for razing the city.

CIVPhilzilla · Dec 30, 2003, 04:49 PM

Whats the point of keeping the Great Library in the year 2000. No culture mo benefits. Just a useless piece of garbage, so I starve the city, burn it down and build one of my own cities in a better area.

Capt Buttkick · Dec 30, 2003, 06:12 PM

CivPhil: that was changed with C3C, iirc. The tourism bonus relates to all civs, not just the one that builds it.

In this game Paris flipped to me after Spain had captured it and I got the tourism bonus from the Oracle.

Warman17 · Dec 30, 2003, 06:27 PM

nope, can't say i have

cgannon64 · Dec 30, 2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by CIVPhilzilla
Whats the point of keeping the Great Library in the year 2000. No culture mo benefits. Just a useless piece of garbage, so I starve the city, burn it down and build one of my own cities in a better area.

Don't wonders give culture forever? And tourism commerce?

Capt Buttkick · Dec 30, 2003, 06:55 PM

Ah, yes. But I think he may have been reffering to the quite common razing of culture powerhouses in vanilla and PTW. Since you hadn't built the wonder and it was obsolete, you had no use for it and therefor destroyed the city.
In C3C however, there's tourism to consider, although that's prob not gonna make or break your game...

Dec 30, 2003, 08:39 AM	#1
Fanny Brice Prince Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 333	Have you ever destroyed a Wonder? Just Wondering... I've never seen a Great Wonder destroyed in Civ3. Have you ever seen a Wonder destroyed or destroyed one yourself? What happens to your reputation if you intentionally destroy a Wonder? Now that volcanos are in the game, I imagine there is a chance of a Wonder getting destroyed at least accidentally.

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Dec 30, 2003, 08:44 AM	#2
Yumbo Warlord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 112	I've razed cities which contained wonders in the late game. I dind't notice any particular reputation hit.

Dec 30, 2003, 08:45 AM	#3
Gogf Indescribable Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Plane Of Fish Sticks Posts: 10,163	Why exactly would you do this except in an 0CC? If you destroy a wonder, can it be rebuilt?

Dec 30, 2003, 08:58 AM	#6
Yumbo Warlord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 112	You might also do it if you've captured a city deep enough into your enemy's territory that you don't think you can hold it or keep it from culture flipping, but you don't want your enemy to have access to the wonder either. So you raze the city...

Dec 30, 2003, 09:33 AM	#7
KingBruiser Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Goat Farm, UK Posts: 40	I Always keep some wonders.. just Raze the pointless wonders.

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USC Unity Scout Chopper Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Czech Banana Republic Posts: 92	Nope, it's still in the current version AFAIK. Should be fixed in the Spring patch.

Dec 30, 2003, 10:33 AM	#12
Gogf Indescribable Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Plane Of Fish Sticks Posts: 10,163	@Capt Buttkick: Someone's done that to a Palace.

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CIVPhilzilla Reagan Republican Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,714	Whats the point of keeping the Great Library in the year 2000. No culture mo benefits. Just a useless piece of garbage, so I starve the city, burn it down and build one of my own cities in a better area. __________________ "To live under the American Constitution is the greatest political privilege that was ever accorded to the human race." -Calvin Coolidge Economic Left/Right: 10 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: .51

Dec 30, 2003, 06:12 PM	#17
Capt Buttkick Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Feet on t ground Head in t clouds Posts: 1,775 Images: 2	CivPhil: that was changed with C3C, iirc. The tourism bonus relates to all civs, not just the one that builds it. In this game Paris flipped to me after Spain had captured it and I got the tourism bonus from the Oracle. __________________ It's against my programming to impersonate a deity. C-3PO If you tolerate this, your children will be next... What separates the great signatures from the good? Quotation, quotation, quotation.

Dec 30, 2003, 06:27 PM	#18
Warman17 NES Grandpa Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: America Posts: 7,106	nope, can't say i have

Dec 30, 2003, 06:55 PM	#20
Capt Buttkick Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Feet on t ground Head in t clouds Posts: 1,775 Images: 2	Ah, yes. But I think he may have been reffering to the quite common razing of culture powerhouses in vanilla and PTW. Since you hadn't built the wonder and it was obsolete, you had no use for it and therefor destroyed the city. In C3C however, there's tourism to consider, although that's prob not gonna make or break your game... __________________ It's against my programming to impersonate a deity. C-3PO If you tolerate this, your children will be next... What separates the great signatures from the good? Quotation, quotation, quotation.

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