To have a higher score and growth rate in Civ2

TURK · Jun 07, 2001, 02:13 AM

Hello,
Is it better to build up the spaceship quickly and finish the game or wait some time after most of your cities have nothing to build anymore so they can stay sometime (with capitalization)??? With which can you have a higher growth rate and civ score? Has anyone tried both and saw the results???

Andu Indorin · Jun 07, 2001, 05:48 AM

It is my understanding that if you're playing OCC, then the quicker you launch, the better. That is the name the game in OCC.

Otherwise, given the way that the "bonus point paradigm" works for the early finish, it is usually better to delay launch in order to maximize population, and therefore, final score.

starlifter · Jun 23, 2001, 05:47 PM

I think your're asking how to get a high score.

Citizen +1
Happy Citizen +1
Unhappy Cit. -1
Spaceship +400 (maximum)
Barbarians +25 (raging hordes)
Peace +100 (34 years continious)
All Wonders +560
Future Tech +1275 (maximum... beware rollover to 0 at 256)
Pollution -10 (for each one)

So the answer is to get as many BIG cities, as happy as possible!

HIEROPHANT · Jul 02, 2001, 02:21 AM

it is best to get as many cities as possible with 50 net production so they can build food carvans every turn.

shadowdale · Jul 02, 2001, 06:01 AM

Yea - that is one thing that I should have done different in the HoF game that I have just finished!!!

I begun to change all the plains and quite a few hills to grassland to increase the food production, but later in the game I realized that after you begin to use food caravans it doesn't really matter how much food your cities produce - the important thing is that they can build food caravans fast!!!

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We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

dtziouf · Jul 02, 2001, 09:04 AM

How do you do the trick with the food caravan?

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Dimitris

starlifter · Jul 02, 2001, 08:05 PM

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posted July 02, 2001 12:29 PM by Shadowdale:

Well just build a lot of food caravans and send them to your other cities!!!
It's not about that food trade route that comes from it, what makes your cities grow is the caravans themselves - every time a food caravan delivers food to a city it fills up half the Food supply - so two caravans in one turn fills it completely and that makes the city grow!!!!!!!!

You don't actually do this for a HOF game do you?

I don't know if it is actaully forbidden, but it just seems kind of unsporting to pump cities to unnatural sizes with food caravans for a camparison game, though with patience it is certainly possible to get at least 127 cities (if not more) up to size 127.

EndryArden · Jul 02, 2001, 10:52 PM

Also, a couple of yurn before retirement in 2020, jack up your taxes as far as they can go, this way, you got a lot of happy citizens.

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EndryArden · Jul 02, 2001, 10:55 PM

Hey Starlifter, would you happen to know how to put smilies into signatures. As you can see, I'm having a tad bit of trouble.

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shadowdale · Jul 02, 2001, 11:29 PM

Well just build a lot of food caravans and send them to your other cities!!!
It's not about that food trade route that comes from it, what makes your cities grow is the caravans themselves - every time a food caravan delivers food to a city it fills up half the Food supply - so two caravans in one turn fills it completely and that makes the city grow!!!!!!!!

------------------
We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

starlifter · Jul 03, 2001, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Hey Starlifter, would you happen to know how to put smilies into signatures. As you can see, I'm having a tad bit of trouble.

The way I've been doing it is with a colon immediately followed by a right-parenthesis. A colon & left parenthesis gives a frown face. A semicolon & rt-par gives a winking smile face.

The BBS then converts the text smiles into a graphical smile.

starlifter · Jul 03, 2001, 05:57 AM

Quote:

posted July 02, 2001 11:52 PM
Also, a couple of yurn before retirement in 2020, jack up your taxes as far as they can go, this way, you got a lot of happy citizens.

Actually, you need to raise your luxuries as high as they will go (100% in democracy) on your last turn so the score will be maxed. Every light-blue citizen (happy) gives an extra point over a dark-blue.

HIEROPHANT · Jul 03, 2001, 11:40 PM

also make a lot of hills with mines

Andu Indorin · Jul 04, 2001, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by HIEROPHANT:
also make a lot of hills with mines

Say what?!?!?!

starlifter · Jul 04, 2001, 08:34 AM

Quote:

posted July 03, 2001 12:40 PM by HIEROPHANT

also make a lot of hills with mines

ROTFL, now I don't see how this strategy can either increase happy people (or even increase taxes). Possibly you can use shield production for Capitalization, if you have the Corp.

Maybe this reply is actaully in response to another thread, and accidently posted here?!

shadowdale · Jul 06, 2001, 05:57 AM

The reason Hierophant says that you should have some hills with mines it because then you can build a (food) caravan every turn and thus increase you city population by one every second turn!!

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We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish

No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

starlifter · Jul 06, 2001, 11:25 PM

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posted July 06, 2001 06:57 AM
The reason Hierophant says that you should have some hills with mines it because then you can build a (food) caravan every turn and thus increase you city population by one every second turn!!

Although I will try and use a food caravan on occasion to help a languishing city, I don't use them to force "unnatural" growth, personally. Playing civ would really degenerate, IMHO, if everyone employed the "size 127" strategy, or even a size 41-44 plus strategy, LOL.

I have seen some people's "record" games posted in other places, and when I see cities of size 70, 90, 110, etc... it just seems silly. But there is no denying it will increase the score. Thankfully, people don't do that in the GOTMs, but I'd still add that (forbidding food caravans from boosting a city past it's 'natural' ability to sustain itself) as a rule of play anyway if it were up to me.

HIEROPHANT · Jul 10, 2001, 01:11 AM

withe the right improvements and terra forming the polar cities can have 50 netproduction or very close.

Jun 07, 2001, 02:13 AM	#1
TURK Chieftain Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 45	To have a higher score and growth rate in Civ2 Hello, Is it better to build up the spaceship quickly and finish the game or wait some time after most of your cities have nothing to build anymore so they can stay sometime (with capitalization)??? With which can you have a higher growth rate and civ score? Has anyone tried both and saw the results???

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Jun 07, 2001, 05:48 AM	#2
Andu Indorin Retired Druid Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Colorado Spgs, CO Posts: 1,480	It is my understanding that if you're playing OCC, then the quicker you launch, the better. That is the name the game in OCC. Otherwise, given the way that the "bonus point paradigm" works for the early finish, it is usually better to delay launch in order to maximize population, and therefore, final score.

Jun 23, 2001, 05:47 PM	#3
starlifter Deity Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,163	I think your're asking how to get a high score. Citizen +1 Happy Citizen +1 Unhappy Cit. -1 Spaceship +400 (maximum) Barbarians +25 (raging hordes) Peace +100 (34 years continious) All Wonders +560 Future Tech +1275 (maximum... beware rollover to 0 at 256) Pollution -10 (for each one) So the answer is to get as many BIG cities, as happy as possible!

Jul 02, 2001, 02:21 AM	#4
HIEROPHANT Videogame God Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On plant Earth from the Great Beyond somewhere in the USA Posts: 426	it is best to get as many cities as possible with 50 net production so they can build food carvans every turn.

Jul 02, 2001, 06:01 AM	#5
shadowdale CFC Drunkard Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Looking up from the bottom of a bee Posts: 1,184	Yea - that is one thing that I should have done different in the HoF game that I have just finished!!! I begun to change all the plains and quite a few hills to grassland to increase the food production, but later in the game I realized that after you begin to use food caravans it doesn't really matter how much food your cities produce - the important thing is that they can build food caravans fast!!! ------------------ We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

Jul 02, 2001, 09:04 AM	#6
dtziouf Olympiakos Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Athens,Greece Posts: 50	How do you do the trick with the food caravan? ------------------ Dimitris

Jul 02, 2001, 10:52 PM	#8
EndryArden Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware/Manhattan Posts: 15	Also, a couple of yurn before retirement in 2020, jack up your taxes as far as they can go, this way, you got a lot of happy citizens. ------------------ "The essesnce of knowledge is, having it, to apply it; not having it, to confess your ignorance." -Confucius !enlighten!

Jul 02, 2001, 10:55 PM	#9
EndryArden Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Delaware/Manhattan Posts: 15	Hey Starlifter, would you happen to know how to put smilies into signatures. As you can see, I'm having a tad bit of trouble. ------------------ "The essesnce of knowledge is, having it, to apply it; not having it, to confess your ignorance." -Confucius !enlighten!

Jul 02, 2001, 11:29 PM	#10
shadowdale CFC Drunkard Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Looking up from the bottom of a bee Posts: 1,184	Well just build a lot of food caravans and send them to your other cities!!! It's not about that food trade route that comes from it, what makes your cities grow is the caravans themselves - every time a food caravan delivers food to a city it fills up half the Food supply - so two caravans in one turn fills it completely and that makes the city grow!!!!!!!! ------------------ We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

Jul 03, 2001, 11:40 PM	#13
HIEROPHANT Videogame God Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On plant Earth from the Great Beyond somewhere in the USA Posts: 426	also make a lot of hills with mines

Jul 06, 2001, 05:57 AM	#16
shadowdale CFC Drunkard Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Looking up from the bottom of a bee Posts: 1,184	The reason Hierophant says that you should have some hills with mines it because then you can build a (food) caravan every turn and thus increase you city population by one every second turn!! ------------------ We are species 8472 - assimilation attempts are futile - the weak shall perish No wait we are species 5618 and we got beer...... don't harm us!!!!!!

Jul 10, 2001, 01:11 AM	#18
HIEROPHANT Videogame God Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On plant Earth from the Great Beyond somewhere in the USA Posts: 426	withe the right improvements and terra forming the polar cities can have 50 netproduction or very close.

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