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Natural Wonders Mod Development Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Creation & Customization' started by Skinnydoc331, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. Skinnydoc331

    Skinnydoc331 Chieftain

    Sep 29, 2010
    Natural Wonders of the World Mod
    (Updated 10/3/10)

    Goals of the Mod
    1. Provide a database of natural wonders that can be used in custom maps and mods. As many or as few of the wonders could be used to balance gameplay for a particular map or mod.
    2. Fair distribution of the natural wonders so that no particular starting location has an unfair advantage of multiple wonders being close to them.
    3. Diverse wonders represented that cover most aspects of our planet.
    4. Have variety in the wonders' bonuses (gameplay balance issues are most important). As of now, finding a wonder give +1 happiness permanently and the wonders each procedure 2 hammers and 3 gold (correct me if I am wrong).

    Initial Plans:
    1. The seven in game wonders will remain as is. Tweaks to there bonuses will be made.

    2. Planning to releas the additional wonders if groups of seven at a time. This will give me a chance to get feedback and make changes in a more managable fashion.

    3. Natural Wonder Bonuses/Penalties/Etc…
    4. Movement - most wonders will be impassible and unable to make improvements on.

    5. Buildings - National Park improvement - this building/improvement would be linked to technology that would be researched between 1800-1900. Give +3-5 gold(?), +3-5 culture (?) and +3 happiness (?).

    Things need help/advice on
    1. Main issue will be with the artwork. I assume I can use the base art files in game, but what is the next best resource? Pictures? 3d models from other sources?

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Tentative Release Plan for Natural Wonders:

    Old Faithful Geyser - N.America
    Grand Mesa - N.America
    Barringer Crater - N.America
    Rock of Gibraltar - Europe
    Mount Fuji - Asia
    Great Barrier Reef - Oceania
    Krakatoa - Oceania

    1st Release:
    Niagara Falls - N.America
    Angel Falls - S.America
    Cliffs of Moher - Europe
    Mount Kilimanjaro - Africa
    Mount Everest - Asia
    Mount Damavand - Asia
    Uluru (Ayers Rock) - Oceania

    2nd Release:
    Grand Canyon - N.America
    Denali - N.America
    El Tatio - S.America
    The Matterhorn - Europe
    Victoria Falls - Africa
    Ngorongoro Crater - Africa
    Huangshan Mountain - Asia

    3rd Release:
    Redwood Forests - N.America
    Great Blue Hole - N.America
    Alpamayo Mountain - S.America
    Zuma Rock - Africa
    Dead Sea - Asia
    K2 - Asia
    Kilauea - Oceania

    4th Release:
    Paricutin - N.America
    Cotahuasi Canyon - S.America
    Mount Etna - Europe
    Avenue of theBaobobs - Africa
    Sundarbans Forest - Asia
    Chocholate Hills - Asia
    Ross Ice Shelf - Oceania
  2. CyberTyrant

    CyberTyrant Formerly known as low

    Jun 19, 2002
    Wisconsin, USA
    I could see adding a few, but let's not get carried away. :p

    The hardest part of this mod would be making the actual tile graphics.
  3. Skinnydoc331

    Skinnydoc331 Chieftain

    Sep 29, 2010
    Since these are terrain features, you can use as few or many as you wanted in a particular map.
  4. Eejit

    Eejit Chieftain

    Jun 4, 2002
    Northern Ireland
    For Europe perhaps add the Giant's Causeway. Is there a particular reason why the Aurora is listed as North American? ;)

    I'm also not sure why you've included some of the existing Natural Wonders in your list, but not others.
  5. labrynianrebel

    labrynianrebel Chieftain

    Sep 22, 2010
    USA, Former Northwest Territory
    You could edit/copypaste some preexisting terrain for new wonders

    Mt. Fugi + more snow --> Denali
    Grand Mesa --> Ayers Rock
    Snowy Mountain --> Mt. Everest
    Coast Tile --> Lake Baikal, Lake Titicaca
    Rock of Gibralter + a little snow --> Mount Killamanjaro
    Great Barrier Reef --> Red Sea Reef
    Barringer Crater + jungle --> Mount Tambora
    Barringer Crater + water --> Crater Lake
    Old Faithful --> The Great Geysir
    Krakatoa --> Parícutin, Mt. Saint Helens

    That's 12 more natural wonders right there
  6. CommanderZ

    CommanderZ Chieftain

    Nov 24, 2007
    Prague, Czech. Rep.
    How do you want to make Grand Canyon...I don't think you can go UNDER normal terrain level.
  7. Jennar

    Jennar Chieftain

    Nov 25, 2008
    Each Natural wonder you make will have to be individually coded into the AssignStartingPlots.lua. Just adding it to the XML will do nothing. Just a heads up.
  8. Skinnydoc331

    Skinnydoc331 Chieftain

    Sep 29, 2010
    In the world map editor you can simply plop the natural wonders in any hex. My assumption was that when people make a world map they would have a database of wonders to use as they wish.
  9. Voyhkah

    Voyhkah Political Activist

    Apr 25, 2009
    I like this idea! but the Sahara Desert is really just a desert and the Amazon is just a rainforest. Maybe scratch those two.

    Maybe the great blue hole (Yes, I know what it is, it's a network of deep submerged caves in the Bahamas) could be like crakatoa and be always on an island.

    Perhaps all the Natural Wonders provide Culture like the great artist's landmark improvement, but some give extra science, gold, culture, or happiness. And perhaps some give great poeple points.

    And maybe there 's an improvement you can build with ecology or something called a "National Park" that gives more culture and happiness.

    Also, perhaps a randomly generated map starts with a randomly chosen few natural wonders, not just the same ones over and over. That would be really intresting, because you'd never know what you're going to get!
  10. Jennar

    Jennar Chieftain

    Nov 25, 2008
    For world builder yes it should work, but any generated map through the game will not deploy any added wonders without modifying that LUA.
  11. salaminizer

    salaminizer Colorado Internacional

    Aug 12, 2006
    Porto Alegre, Brasil
    what do you mean by Harbor of Rio de Janeiro?
    you could add the Cataratas do Iguaçu in South America, or maybe the Pororoca (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqixgRWxes), if it's possible to make it appear in a coast tile with a river in its border (and even though it's some sort of temporary phenomenon)

    as you're planning the Sahara, you could add the Atacama desert. and the same with the Kilimanjaro, in South America there's the Aconcagua.
  12. Optimizer

    Optimizer Sthlm, SWE

    Dec 29, 2001
    Can we make the North and South Poles function as Wonders?
  13. Voyhkah

    Voyhkah Political Activist

    Apr 25, 2009
    Hmmmm... Possibly.

    BTW, maybe you should change Krakatoa to have a new name and not be a volcano? Because I can't see how an incredibly destructive eruption would make people happy.
  14. Chibiabos

    Chibiabos Chieftain

    May 24, 2005
    Yellowstone National Park is already covered a bit by Old Faithful geyser.

    And to those who argue the Amazon rainforest is just another rainforest ... oh good grief, Fuji is just another mountain!

    If you're going to add the Grand Canyon, that would have to follow a river through the desert and mountains, and it would lack a flood plain (since the Colorado River is very well confined within the canyon walls).

    I suggest considering some of the world's great rivers as Natural Wonders -- the Nile, the Mississippi, the Amazon river, etc. They should act as a free trade route (why don't rivers do that anyway? :/) and, some time after researching Electricity, have an option to build buffer-than-normal Hydroelectric Dams, that potentially offer hammer bonuses to several nearby cities.

    Aurora Borealis seems kinda silly as a natural wonder -- its visible from any sufficiently northern lattitude and, given the greater landmass, would be visible more from Russia (northern Asia), and there is an identical phenomenon in the southern hemisphere you can view from Australia, South America or southern Africa.
  15. Pouakai

    Pouakai It belongs in a museum. Staff Member Moderator

    Jun 16, 2010
    Yes yes yes!!!

    Finally, someone adds more natural wonders, or at least, it working on it.

    My suggestions would be to scratch the following:

    North America
    1. Aurora Borealis - How would you model it?
    10. Yellowstone National Park - Old faithful

    South America
    1. Harbor of Rio de Janeiro - Replace with Sugar loaf, which I think is included in the Christo Redentor model
    6. Amazon Rainforest (?multiple hexs?) - Just a rainforest, but also really big

    8. Sahara Desert (?multiple hexs?) - Just a desert, but also really big

    And in addition, add in:

    1. Stone forrests of Madagascar

    1. Seven Dragon Valley

    1. Eyjajaffajokull

    1. Milford Sound
    2. Pink and white terraces
    3. Mt. Ruapehu

    Also, you mentioned a penalty for building on top of one, but what if you got increased gold on a natural wonder if you build a 'Tourism lodge', which represents increased tourist yield.
  16. Fetus4188

    Fetus4188 Chieftain

    Apr 16, 2004
    Livermore, CA
    Suggestions for NA:

    Bryce Canyon
    Yellowstone (already exists as Old Faithful)
    Yosemite -> El Capitan or Half Dome
    Chimney Rock
    Crater Lake
    Lake Tahoe

    some mountains
    Mt. St. Helens
    Mt. Banner
    Grand Teton
    Denali, please don't call it McKinley
  17. Stormfather

    Stormfather Chieftain

    Mar 15, 2002
    Rural America
    I believe rivers go down a bit.
  18. a1Basco

    a1Basco Chieftain

    Jul 2, 2006
    Carls Bad Caverns for North America.

    Seriously, ever been there? It kicks ass. =p

    Oh, or in Colorado Springs, the Garden of the Gods. It's breathtaking =p
  19. SomethingWitty

    SomethingWitty Chieftain

    Oct 19, 2005
    Crater Lake is a good natural wonder that should make for a nice pretty and recognizeable tile. Maybe an easy editing of Barringer Crater? I have no idea how to edit tiles.
  20. SomethingWitty

    SomethingWitty Chieftain

    Oct 19, 2005
    Mt Fuji is unusually beautiful and symmetrical, it makes sense.

    The Amazon rainforest is rather ugly, bland, and spread out over many thousands of square miles. It'd be like an extra big section of jungle tiles. Maybe better for a mapscript.

    Rivers get the extra gold per tile. Represents the same IRL trade benefits of rivers.

    Agreed about the aurora borealis. There's also the aurora australis, and in Civ there are many more southern civs to observe them.

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