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Players, please cast your votes in the poll above. Vote "Yea" for every proposal you'd be okay with if it were implemented. Vote "Nay" if you'd be okay if these proposals weren't implemented. You can vote for any number of options.
All votes are public. If you wish, you can discuss your choice(s) in the thread below. You can change your vote as many times as you want until the poll closes.
VP Congress: Session 1, Proposal 6
Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @pineappledan
Previous Discussion Thread: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/12-proposal-tradition-changes.679036/
Proposal Details
Current Tradition: follow link to wiki
Problem:
VP Congress: Session 1, Proposal 6a
Proposer: @CrazyG
Sponsor(s): @Recursive
Previous Discussion Thread: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/12a-counterproposal-tradition-changes.679891/
Proposal Details
This hopes to build on ideas from pineappledan's thread.
Proposed Changes:
Ceremony: Add +1 to Councils only (not Lodges or Herbalists)
Splendor: Remove 50 on GP expend
Splendor: Add +2 culture to Monuments only (not Baths or Gardens)
Majesty: +5 gold (currently +4, this give symmetry with Splendor's 5 food).
Finisher (credit to Pineappledan for these ideas):
This broadly wants to make tradition + artistry less synergistic, while also making it less snowbally with culture in general. The AI consistently does better with tradition than other options.
Tradition already does science better than progress in general. This limits its wide science and culture.
Players, please cast your votes in the poll above. Vote "Yea" for every proposal you'd be okay with if it were implemented. Vote "Nay" if you'd be okay if these proposals weren't implemented. You can vote for any number of options.
All votes are public. If you wish, you can discuss your choice(s) in the thread below. You can change your vote as many times as you want until the poll closes.
VP Congress: Session 1, Proposal 6
Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @pineappledan
Previous Discussion Thread: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/12-proposal-tradition-changes.679036/
Proposal Details
Current Tradition: follow link to wiki
Problem:
- Artistry and Tradition are stacked up, and have a few overlapping bonuses that make Tradition/Artistry a bit Too optimal for tall, safe, GP focused play
- W.R.T. tradition, it has 2 minor GA-related bonuses that are fairly small and tangential, but contribute a lot to this overlap
- One of the bonuses in particular is on Great Person expend, which is also given by an ancient wonder: Pyramids.
- In general, there are just too many of these GP expend bonuses to be interesting. Tradition has 3 of them alone, if you include the university of Sankore. They make GP-focused playthroughs too optimal.
- Ceremony: Add +1 to Lodges, Councils, and Herbalists (currently, Councils and Herbalists only. Lodges is a new building introduced in 2.7)
- Splendor: Remove 50 on GP expend (currently 50 and . the culture stays; combined with the 2 to monuments, baths and gardens, this policy is already very stacked)
- Finisher:
- Remove +25% GA length modifier
- Add +1 to all GP Tile improvements (now +1 . Strengthens association with GEngineers, and GEMS as a group, since artistry is focused on GWAM)
- Add +1 Working Range on Capital (unique bonus mechanic. No new code. Capital is settled before scouting or resource reveals, so it lets tradition players be more flexible with city management as a fun novelty bonus.)
VP Congress: Session 1, Proposal 6a
Proposer: @CrazyG
Sponsor(s): @Recursive
Previous Discussion Thread: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/12a-counterproposal-tradition-changes.679891/
Proposal Details
This hopes to build on ideas from pineappledan's thread.
Proposed Changes:
Ceremony: Add +1 to Councils only (not Lodges or Herbalists)
Splendor: Remove 50 on GP expend
Splendor: Add +2 culture to Monuments only (not Baths or Gardens)
Majesty: +5 gold (currently +4, this give symmetry with Splendor's 5 food).
Finisher (credit to Pineappledan for these ideas):
- Remove +25% GA length modifier
- Add +1 to all GP Tile improvements
- Add +1 Working Range on Capital
Spoiler Reasoning :
This broadly wants to make tradition + artistry less synergistic, while also making it less snowbally with culture in general. The AI consistently does better with tradition than other options.
Tradition already does science better than progress in general. This limits its wide science and culture.