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1.16 France - strategic guide

Discussion in 'Gameplay Guides' started by rmontaruli, Dec 26, 2020.

  1. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    There is another thread about France in this section, but it refers to version 1.15 with Statue of Liberty.

    In version 1.16 no more Statue of Liberty but Metropolitain instead.

    The other targets are almost the same.

    1) Legendary culture in Paris by 1700.
    2) Notre Dame, Versailles, The Louvre, Eiffel Tower, Metropolitain, in Paris.
    3) 40% of Europe and 40% of North America in 1800.

    The hard part is Legendary culture in Paris.
    Paris must grow and build cultural building since first turn and do NOTHING ELSE until 1700.
    And a precise order must be followed.

    The key of success pass through cultural multipliers. Some buildings multiply culture of a percentage from 25% to 100%, and you must have them.
    Sistine Chapel is another mandatory building to have.

    If Paris is bound to build culture, the strategy to win is to get more cities, to train army and workers.
    The first city to get is Rome.
    Then London, then Barcelona. (England and Spain will be vassalized).
    Enough to start.

    Techs:
    1) Fortification for trebs, then path to Notre Dame.
    2) Path to Sistine Chapel, then Versailles
    3) Path to Geography to start colonization
    4) Path to Louvre

    First moves:
    Change to depotism, to whip two trebs, two galleys or cog, two lancers (in Bordeaux and Barcelona)
    Paris can whip Monastier, Church, Theatre, Weaver, Monument, but population cannot go under 3.
    Beware happiness.

    With two trebs, you can siege and conquer Rome. (Use crossbows in attack). About 960AD
    After Rome a galley should be ready in Bordeaux. Load an unit and go to get Dublin.
    Move all your army in Dublin while you are training Lancers.
    If you did all well, you should be ready to invade England about 1066AD (History is very fun, sometimes).
    Conquer the small city on the west first (it can be Plymouth, or Bath, or Exter), then London.
    English will capitulate and become Duchy of Normandy.
    Bring whole army back, and prepare the invasion of Spain. Your target is Barcelona.
    Then Madrid.
    Spain will capitulate. Give Madrid back. Keep Barcelona.

    This is your enlarged core. Enough for now.
    Move all your army in Rome, train some other unit and wait for Bizantine collapse.
    Your next target are Naples, Budapest, Belgrad and Athens.
    No hurry. You can take them easily when they are independend, or rush an attack in the final turns.
    Enough to get 40% of Europe.

    Colonization.
    A conqueror's event with Aztecs can help, with extra army.
    Get Tucume (it is in North America). Found New Orleans and Montreal (Montreal ASAP, to prevent English to found Boston). Then found Detroit, and another city 5 tiles west of Detroit.
    With Versailles in Paris you have an Estate in every city and you can cover more than 40% of North America with 5 cities.

    Paris buildings.
    Religious buildings, then Theatre and Weaver to train Great Artists. Catholic cathedral.
    You must manage to build also Jewish Cathedral and Protestant cathedral later.
    First GA should be added to Paris. Second GA will build Museum. With the other GA, wait for Renaissance and spread culture.

    When you have some moltiplicators of culture, you can put cultural slide to 20%.
    Once got Tolerance, change civics.
     
  2. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    UHV1 easily got.
    The key is to build culture multiplyer ASAP. Theatre, Saloon, Cathedrals, Civic square... then National wonders like National Theatre, National monument, National Gallery...

    After 1700 stability changes. I suffered of overexpansion and i had to reduce all cities in red zone to size of 6.
    A golden age saved me in this operation.

    Now i'm in 1750, researching Railroads (Eiffel Tower), with about 43% of Europe and North America.
    I'm waiting for America spring to see what will happen with land.
    I've an army of 5 Guards, 5 Cannons and dozens of privates, but it is in Europe. I fear a war with Americans: they have no land to settle...
     
  3. Dracosolon

    Dracosolon Warlord

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    Followed this guide and finally managed to beat the UHV, which had always stumped me due to the dilemma of either having to deal with an European war at an inopportune moment, or spend so much efforts on military that one of the other two goals is missed.

    -An expanded core at the expanse of Italy (which should have no independent cities left before 1167), England and Spain really makes all the difference. Your most important city will be entirely dedicated to culture so having more cities to hold your ground against your numerous and very close neighbors is crucial. Rome can also give you one or two Great Engineers with the Flavian Amphitheater and a forge, to rush the needed wonders in Paris. Worth a Great Artist imo.

    -I managed to reach Legendary culture in Paris a few turns before 1700 before even building the Louvre, thanks to four Cathedrals (3 Christian and 1 Jewish). The main issue is the randomness of religious spread, which can sometimes slow your builds. This is another area where more cities = more temples = more cathedrals in Paris without having to have too many rival religions in one place.

    -Byzantium and Scandinavia are your best trading partners for tech before you manage to get vassals, though it can't hurt to send a scout in Asia in case someone is willing to trade anything.

    -Following the first post's strategy it's easy to reach around 30% European territory, but the remaining percents can, depending on circumstances, be reached through the opportunistic conquest of recently collapsed civs. I did it with Scandinavia, though I had to redo it because I gave most of the territory to a vassalized England, which eventually collapsed them to core. A war with a living civ is a lot more risky: HRE isn't terribly impressive but its closeness can be a problem and most of its territory will flip to Prussia, Poland is too far away, Portugal has a pathetic European territory, and the later civs (Ottomans and Prussia mostly) will likely start with a slight lead in military tech in addition to numbers.

    -North America shouldn't be an issue if you manage to stay ahead in the tech race, and vassal England and Spain are only additional territory for you. Canada spawns later than the UHV, so the only concerns are America, Mexico, native raiders, and the typical problems of stability and maintenance, and all of them are manageable. As mentioned, Versailles with an estate in every city is a boon for cultural expansion. Just stay out of another civ's core, get decent and mobile troops for garrison, and keep the population low to avoid triggering overextension.

    -Keep an eye out for Specialists in Paris, the AI really loves to pick anything else than Artists (you'll have an abundance of Priest and Stateman slots thanks to your buildings) and that can easily pollute your GP pool.
     
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  4. rmontaruli

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    Cultural UHV is easier than that.
    I kept a log of my cultural progress...

    Turn 28 Monastier +8/turn 32
    Turn 33 Theatre +10/turn 64
    Turn 39 Monument +22/turn 164

    Weawer not logged
    Church not logged
    first GA added to Paris

    Turn 84 Notre Dame +86/turn 2172
    Turn 91 Saloon +109/turn 2778
    Turn 101 Cathedral +147/turn 3877
    Turn 114 Sistine +245/turn 5799
    Turn 118 Museum +358/turn 6053
    Turn 123 +448/turn 9051
    Turn 135 Versailles +638/turn 19706
    Turn 138 +679/turn 21708
    Turn 143 +688/turn 25146 proiection to turn 205:67082

    Turn 150 National monument +724/turn 34835
    Turn 158 Civic square +820/turn 40737 -> proiection to turn 205:79277

    And in the meantime i built the Louvre and another Cathedral

    First two GA are easy to get. Other GA are not so important. I got 4 GA in total before 1700 but i achieved more than 100.000 cultural points

    I also put cultural slider to 20/30% after first cathedral
     
  5. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    About land in Europe, i just fight a war for England and Spain.
    I waited for Bizantines collapse to get Naples and Belgrad.
    I was ready to make war with Ottomans to get Athens but i was quicker and i got it without war.
    Ottomans should have a bad roll of dices because they do not get Costantinopolis, so i got it.
    France + Ireland + Southern England + Barcelona + Italy + Balkans + Greece is almost 40%.
    I was also able to settle Odessa in a free tile after Poland collapsed.
     
  6. rmontaruli

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    Good news. Second UHV achieved.
    Spoiler :

    One turn to 1800.
    This is Europe.





    And this is North America



    Percentages here:



    Detroit did not flip.
    Americans declared war, but some turns later they were agree to make peace, with no figth.

    BTW, Tuitan will flip to Mexico in 1815, i left it.
    Canada will spring in late 1800. I manage to win before Canada.
    Eiffel tower completed in 1800.

    After that i run the French Revolution, using a Statesman and i passed to Republic, Citizenship, Free enterprise and related civics.
    Some managenent to deal with unhappiness in some cities, but now all is under control.
    Thanks to the Eiffel Tower i can keep Golden Age for the rest of the game! :thumbsup:
     

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  7. HighFunctioningAlcoholic

    HighFunctioningAlcoholic Warlord

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    You can use the World Builder to see every civ's flip zone through the DOC map view.
     
  8. rmontaruli

    rmontaruli Prince

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    Sometimes zones change when eras change. Wordbuilder can be inaccurate for future events.
     
  9. merijn_v1

    merijn_v1 Black Belt

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    They don't. Flipzones are static. The AI sometimes gets a bigger area, but that area is reflected in the WB as well.
     
  10. rmontaruli

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    I did it at last!
    Spoiler :






    I could have won many rounds earlier with a Great Engineer to speed up Metropolitain, but i wanted to try to vassalize West Africa.
    So i built in Paris another wonder and i delivere the Grand Armée in Africa.
    But they preferred to collapse instead of capitulate to me. First Moors, then Mali.

    I spent my GE for another golden age because i was instable...

    However the game was always under control.
     

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  11. Regulas021

    Regulas021 Chieftain

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    You were also on track to win a religious victory if the UHV hadn’t panned out
     
  12. rmontaruli

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    No, well... Religious victory need to be planned. I had to go for Great Prophets instead of Great Artists, and colonize more world to spread Christiainism.
    It required a different strategy.
    I do not think it is possibile to achieve both victories in the same game.
     
  13. Strijder21

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    Are you sure you actually have to build those wonders in Paris? The tooltip doesn't say so, and I distinctly recall triggering 2/3 UHV in a game without even founding Paris.
     
  14. rmontaruli

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    Maybe you have a different version. I'm playing version 1.16 (not the last one), and in my game UHV wants Notre Dame, Versailles, Louvre, Eiffel, Metropolitain.
    In version 1.15 or so, France UHV required Statue of Liberty. I cannot remember previous versions.
    I posted a screenshot above where there is a list of these wonders to build.

    Actually it seems you don't need to build them in Paris, but UHV1 says "Legendary culture in Paris", so i do not think you can get a UH Victory without Paris, can you?
     
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    Yes, I agree. I am only disagreeing with the need to actually build them in Paris.
     
  16. rmontaruli

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    Well, those wonders help to get legendary culture. It seems a waste of culture bonus to build them elsewhere.
    What's your plan?
     
  17. Strijder21

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    I'll make sure to let you know once I get around it in my current UHV run!

    I actually managed to get 2/3 UHVs and legendary culture in 1750 AD during a sandbox run, so I'm not convinced you have to build that particular set of wonders in your capital.
     
  18. troubleshooting

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    Is it possible to prevent Italy from spawning?
     
  19. rmontaruli

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    If both Venice and Rome are not independent at the date of its spawning, Italy does not spawn, unless you are Italy.
     
  20. Strijder21

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    No, the condition is that if no independent cities exist in Italy or you are Rome, Italy does not spawn.
     

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