[Vote] (1-33) Reduce Heavy Skirmisher CS By 1

[Stalker0]

So far I am liking the new skirmisher model, and I think the base skirmisher stats are solid.

The heavy skirmisher I think is a bit too tanky though, here are a few showings:

Spoiler :

So the knight and the longsword are the two common melee units going against the heavy skirmisher, and you can see its tanking them pretty well. For a super fast light unit that is really not supposed to be staying in combat, this seems like a bit too much staying power.

Proposal: A simple adjustment to the heavy skirmisher's CS to reduce some of its tankiness against melee.

 

[CppMaster]

Makes sense, but how impactful is 1 CS difference?

 

[Stalker0]

Makes sense, but how impactful is 1 CS difference?

As a ballpark, if a longsword is attacking the unit. The longsword will deal an average of ~1.8 more damage, and take 1 less damage in retaliation against a CS 17 heavy skirmisher compared to a CS 18 one.

 

[azum4roll]

What's the expected damage a same tier melee can do to a skirmisher? For reference my heavy skirmisher is only 15CS and is expected to take ~45 damage from longswords. With 5 moves, the VP skirmisher should have even lower defense.

 

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[Slyceth]

I talked before about the rock papers scissors model, and while the heavy skirmisher is actually one of the easiest units to defeat from that era, behind siege weapons, they are still tough to kill. Heavy skirmishers hit and retreat so they can be made squishy by melee units. Don't make them squishy to ranged units though please.

 

[glaivemaster]

I talked before about the rock papers scissors model, and while the heavy skirmisher is actually one of the easiest units to defeat from that era, behind siege weapons, they are still tough to kill. Heavy skirmishers hit and retreat so they can be made squishy by melee units. Don't make them squishy to ranged units though please.

Unless I'm wrong about how combat works, their Ranged Combat Strength will defend against ranged units, so reducing their (non-ranged) Combat Strength will only affect how they defend against melee.

 

[azum4roll]

I'm voting yes, but a 17 CS heavy skirmisher is still too much for a fast unit. It should be lowered to 14 or 15.

 

[Recursive]

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