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10 leaders for Civ V, which will you choose?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by Traun, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Kao'chai

    Kao'chai Newbie in Modding

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    Here's my choices :
    Qin of China
    Genghis of Mongolia
    Hammurabi of Babylon
    Alexander of Greece
    Cyrus of Persia
    Augustus of Rome
    Victoria of Britain
    Washington of America
    Saladin of Arabia
    Napoleon of France

    But really , I want more leaders , so that I won't sick of seeing their faces .
     
  2. Nay

    Nay Warlord

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    Based on "who comes to mind" instead of "who was the best" leader:

    1.) China - Mao (Qin was great, but except for people who have seen HERO, no one knows him, at least not in first place)

    2.) Babylon - Hammurabi (Mr. I-4-n-I himself)

    3.) Egypt - Tut Ench (again, not the best, not by a long shot, but the most known)

    4.) Rome - Julius Cesar (thats the cesar people mean when using "cesar" as a name instead of a title)

    5.) Greece - Alexander (Not too many people know alexander for anything else than that movie and kicking some ass. Since troy, they at least know Agamemmnon and some of the hoeroes. toughest call)

    6.) England - Richard the Lionheart (Seriously, best known englishman after Robin Hood)

    7.) France - ´Poleon (see number 6)

    8.) Germany - Hm. going after my initial premisse for selection, namely being known (no matter for what), the choice would be very obvious. Im Austrian, but i dont care much about other peoples opinions on HItler, Nazis and WW2 in general (due to being austrian i guess) so i will nominate Hitler as "best known German Leader" of all times. Seriously: its been 70 years, time to loosen up and stop taking things personal. He IS the No1 personality of post-medieval germany (and Austria at once), so he should be represented.

    9.) Russia - Stalin (see point 7)

    10.) Gehngis Khan (not Civ without him)
     
  3. Paideia

    Paideia Warlord

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    1. Ramesses II
    2. Qing Shi Huang Di
    3. Otto von Bismarck
    4. Alexander the Great
    5. Napoleon Bonaparte
    6. Elizabeth I
    7. Hammurabi
    8. Mahatma Gandhi
    9. Haile Selassie
    10. Pachacuti

    Tough choice, but these are diverse enough for this particular thought experiment.
    I would like to have added a few more though:
    11. Catherine the Great
    12. Genghis Khan
    13. Frankling Delanore Roosevelt
    14. Augustus Caesar
    15. Meiji
    16. Mongkut (Rama IV)
     
  4. joza

    joza Chieftain

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    europe:
    1.french
    2.english
    3.germans
    4.russia
    asia:
    5.china
    6.japan
    7.mongols
    africa:
    8.zulu
    america:
    9.usa
    10.southern american natives (whatsoever)

    "leaders" are not so important as civs
     
  5. joza

    joza Chieftain

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    damn i forgot about rome and greece... no way 10 is enough, 12 is the minimum
     
  6. LightSpectra

    LightSpectra me autem minui

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    A severe lack of Persia in this topic makes me sad.

    Persia, China and Greece are the three most important civilizations in history. Not necessarily modern history, but ancient history was all about them.
     
  7. sydhe

    sydhe King of Kongs

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    Rome--Elagabalus
    America--William Henry Harrison
    China--Cixi
    India--Siraj ud-Daulah
    England--Richard III
    Egypt--Tutankhamun
    Babylonia--Belshazzar
    France--Charles VI
    Russia--Peter III
    Aztecs--Montezuma II

    For expansion:
    Greece--Alcibiades
    Persia--Ayatollah Khomenei
    Zulus--Chaka Khan (Need some female leaders other than Cixi)
    Byzantines--Phocas
    Japan--Hirohito
    Germany--he who kills threads

    That should make multiplayer a challenge for everybody.
     
  8. Winston Hughes

    Winston Hughes Wrathful Warlock Retired Moderator

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    It's because the ancient Greek civilisation was never united under a Greek ruler before or after Alexander (who's own Greekness is questionable).

    Pericles himself was never even the ruler of Athens, let alone Greece. He was, however, a great leader of the Athenian people, who themselves ruled over a large part of the Greek world at the time.

    This brings me on to...

    True, but he did lead a civilisation. I'd agree that it doesn't quite fit with the notion of a leader in civ. But, on the other hand, leaders in civ are virtually immortal and wield absolute power in a way that no real world ruler ever could.

    Most importantly, though, leaders are there to give character to the game. Surely you can't argue that Gandi is one of the worse choices in that regard?

    Of course, Hitler would undoubtedly be a great character to have in the game. But you know its never gonna happen.
     
  9. cybrxkhan

    cybrxkhan Asian Xwedodah

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    1. Qin of China
    2. Augustus of Rome
    3. Thuthmosis III of Egypt
    4. Alexander of Greece
    5. Akbar of India
    6. Darius I of Persia
    7. Victoria of England
    8. Bismarck of Germany
    9. Stalin of Russia
    10. Tokugawa of Japan

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    11. Napoleon of France
    12. Isabella of Spain
    13. Genghis of Mongolia
    14. Suleiman of Ottomans
    15. Montezuma of Aztecs
    16. Harun al-Rashid of Arabs
     
  10. slobberinbear

    slobberinbear Ursine Skald

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    I am no historian, but since most of us play the game from an Ancient start, it makes sense to use 10 Ancient/Classical Age civilizations. I have intentionally excluded the relative latecomers.

    Egypt -- Ramesses
    Greece -- Alexander
    Persia -- Cyrus
    China -- Qin
    India -- Asoka
    Rome -- Julius
    Celts/Gauls/other "barbarian" group in northern Europe -- Brennus (etc.)
    Carthage -- Hannibal
    Mongolia -- Genghis
    Babylon -- Hammurabi
     
  11. meatwad4289

    meatwad4289 Prince

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    1. Teddy Roosevelt
    2. Augustus Caesar
    3. Joseph Stalin
    4. Adolph Hitler
    5. Napolean
    6. Hammurabi
    7. Alexander the Great
    8. Cleopatra
    9. Alfred the Great
    10. Shaka
     
  12. TM Moot

    TM Moot King

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    I realise your critirea, but the Couer de Lion was a French speaking English King who spent about 2 months in his Kingdom. He was much happier spending the wealth of his country on foreign jollies!

    If you want a famous Englishman, how about Sir David of Beckham...:king:
     
  13. Nay

    Nay Warlord

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    Was he an apprentice of Mansa Musa then?
    Nobody spent more gold in shorter time than "the original pimp" (tm) :king:

    But, despite of what he did, hes the first character of english history that i can think of.

    Except for King Arthur maybe, but theres too much legend around that one.
     
  14. TM Moot

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    I like your list, but would suggest dropping the Mongols for one of the Minoan's, Hittites or Sumerians.:goodjob:
     
  15. TM Moot

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    Agree that King Arthur is a tad dodgy (probably nothing more than a Romano/Welsh lord), but I would have thought that Henry the 8th is more globally famous, what with his multitude of wife's (not sure what the collective noun for numerous wife's is - possibly a "gossip" or a "divorce").:confused:
     
  16. Angst

    Angst Rambling and inconsistent

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    Why the Mongols? :confused:

    I personally didn't note a Persian leader because I don't know of any :p
     
  17. TM Moot

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    Different timespan to the rest. Without looking it up, I would guess that the prime Mongol Empire of Genghis/Kublai was 1100AD-1300ADish.

    (The original list aimed for "Ancient/Classical Age civilizations.")
     
  18. Dennis_Moore

    Dennis_Moore Unholy Roman

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    Except that Hammurabi and julius caesar were separated some 17-18 centuries.
     
  19. wooitee6

    wooitee6 Chieftain

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    After read through this thread, i am sure that Qing Shi Huang is the only well known China emperor in the western world now.

    I dun think HongWu is the best emperor ever in China. Yes he defeated Mongolian, but Ming dynasty, under the national system he built, became the least productive, creative and cultural dynasty in China history. Nothing much had been done in this 300 years really. China suffered a great recession from the most advanced civilization to a simple, organized, super huge village while European is enjoying their Renaissance era. That was a turning point for China in the global history.

    Just try to simply what i am saying, the China empire was far too large, the maintenance cost was too high and after Mongolian pillaged most of the farm and village, the China empire was in severe financial crisis really. To cope with that situation, Hongwu just simply put 0% scientific research and 100% commerce then maintained it for 300 years. Hongwu was also notorious by setting up plenty of secret police agency to monitor and kill people who disagreed with him, including those great generals helping him fighting against the Mongolian.

    Obviously i am a Civilizationholic.
     
  20. Scaramanga

    Scaramanga Brickhead

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    Good point. Does anyone have an idea for a great Japanese emperor for the game (besides Meiji and Hirohito, thanks)? I sometimes think an emperor would be better for Japan than a shogun.
     

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