100 CE: The True Age of Empires

[Xen]

well, first off, you guys need to give a big thank you to utahjazz- with out his Romano-Byzantine units, this scenario would not be possible, in paticuler, his latest work, the Heavey Legionary (or should it be called Trajanic Legionary...) is perhaps the biggest contribution to the scenario.

now then, some of you may be wondering what happend to the other scenario, the Rise of Roman Italy scenario I was working on went- it is on indefinete hold, as no unit creators seem interested in makeing juist one of the several essential units for the scen, so I weighed my options, and decided to go for a scenario that in many ways is a hell of a lot bolder in every way.

the scenario is a full world map, with the major empires, and lesser empires of the day all on it.

now then, that said, there are 4 major empires- these empires span the silk road, and are-

The Roman Empire
The Parthian Empire
Kushan Empire
The Chinese Empire

in additon, there are several lesser powers- these are-


Ethiopia
Dacia
Sassanian Persia
India
Korea/Koguryo
and perhaps Mongolia

then of course, there are the barbarian upstarts-

Germanany
Angles(England)
Dutch (need to find a differnt name)
Franks(French)
Vikings
Russia (will need a differn name as well)
Arabia
Berbers
Japanese
Zulu
Maya
Aztecs
Inca
Iroquoise
Turks
America?

what the diffence between a major power, a lesser power, and a barbarian upstart?

well, major powers have a rather large number of highlly develpoed cities, and Start in the MIDDLE AGES
in addition, they get a great deal of UUs, at leas tone of which is already availible at the start of the game (like the standard roman legionary, or the Parthian horse archer)
another large differnece, is that the majhor powers all have a unit bonus for there UUs- Rome for example has more expensive units, but in return they have a point more of health, the parthians on the other hand have speedy units,the chinese UUs will require no maitenance, and the Kushan units fewer resources

the lesser nation recieve a few cities, but realyl only have one unique unit (some, like the Ethiopians will recive flavor art if availible for their units)

the barbarian upstart however, start with a few settelers, and some swordsman- they will have to carve an empire out for themselves- they are NOT playable by the human

here is a minimap

Red-Roman Empire
Blue-China
lavender-Kushans
Orange/yellow-Parthia

Yellow-Ethiopia
Green-Dacia
Blue green- Sassanian Persia (at this point in time, it was a sub kingdom paying tribut to Parthia)
Purple-India

 

[Xen]

there will be a custom tech tree for the scenario, though I'm not sure how I'm going to handle it

also, there will be rule changes- like Tundra,Jungles, and desserts are now NOT settleable

 

[aaminion00]

russia could be the slavs, who you could place somewhere around the Carpathians... but nobody knows much about these ancient hippies of East Europe.

As for the Dutch, there is no reason to put them in a 100 CE scenario.

 

[Al Zan]

what map are you useing?

 

[Xen]

they are going to be reanmed to be some germaninc tribe- I might even move them over to eastern europe, and make them the goths...

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Al Zan
what map are you useing?

good question, I have no idea, but I think it was somthink like kal-el or somthing like that..why, is there a better one?

 

[Kal-el]

where is the Trajanic Legionary?

 

[Xen]

its being done by Utahjazz, it is currentlly under animation- unfortunley, with the upload thing being down, i cant post the image of it- but trust me, the only think which one might consider bad are the size of his feet (they look a bit small to me) and his crest (looks good, but for some reaosn when I look at I think "afro" could be a bit samller, but those are just nit pick- its a GREAT unit)

 

[Xen]

here is an attmept at posting it, copied from a PM-

 

[bombshoo]

Some suggestions you could follow.

You definatly need the Celts. Russia could be the Alans, Sythians, Huns or Avars. Change the Vikings to Goths, and make the Dutch into just another Germanic tribe...It also would'nt hurt to add Nubia, espeically with the cool leaderhead we now have and the Nabataean which excisted in modern day Jordan, was also at it's height now. A South-East Asian state would fill in some blanks on the map.

 

[veezed]

Xen!

Xen I was going to do that scenario myself. If you're willing to help I'd love it, if the other way round, sure, I'd help you as well. In fact you know, that map I requested recently, that was for that scenario.

I want to include Kushans, Rome, China and Parthia. Smaller powers could be Armenia, Khiva, Yemen, Aksum, Meroë, Koguryo, Japan, Tibet and Java. The rest would be barbarians - having really cheap units and quick expansion. We can make a large numer of those civs.

Mostly I wanted to emphasise trade..Silk Road and Spice Route....That's why Java and Arabs are so important.

Huns should by far be the most dangerous of all the barbarians, after all they did manage to ruin the Han and the Kushans and shake Rome very badly.

Anyway. I have some work done in the planning stage already...so message me if you want to share.

Thanks,

 

[veezed]

Regarding Barbs.

Some civs - Goths, Sarmatians, Norse, Celts, Huns, India...need to be represented by civs.

Some others - berbers, alans, gepids, iyaziges, scythians etc...could be just barb tribe names.

I would cut away any part of the world not directly concerned with our story. America, Australia, Subsaharan Africa, Arctic Asia - i want it all gone. In fact my map would look like so:

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by veezed

I would cut away any part of the world not directly concerned with our story. America, Australia, Subsaharan Africa, Arctic Asia - i want it all gone. In fact my map would look like so:

you'll have none of it, if you wish to help, then I would love it- but make no mistake this is my scenario- not yours

as a side note, I also have had plans to a map, and scenario along the same lines but for middles ages- from the Iceland down to eithiopea, and from Portugal, and Ireland to the aral sea would be the perimiters on that

as a side, note, the celts are, and have been in it from the benning- I just forgot to mention them- there start place is in ireland

 

[veezed]

Your scenario, fine

I will help if I have ideas but in that case I can just go and develop my own. Which will be the same scenario, really, but since I already started, I'm not going to stop.

I just didn't want the redundancy. But no matter, it's all good.

Anyway. Why the world? It's hard to make a decent representation of the roman empire on a world map. And regional powers will be reduced to one city or so each.

 

[Xen]

some notes-

no nubia- Nubia was little more then a few indipendent tribs, the rest were split between payting tribut to Ethiopia, or Rome

the vikings are also needed, as this scenario mere starts at 100 CE -no stop date has been set- if i could get enough "what if" units made, I would have it go into modern times

I wouls also like a south-east asian state, but I if there is one think I hate, its the cipedia, and other text stuff that I would have to edit- if someone would be willing to do that stuff- including all the crap one has to go through to ad din new leaderheads and such, then I perhaps I would be more open ideas from them

a nation i would LOVE to add in south east Asia would be the Khemer...

a few notes- I hjavent decided on exact vicotry conditions yet, but 40,000 victory points should be cool- same with culture, as so many cities already have wonders in them... in fact, I've had to come up with new wonders to give to help balence out the advantage Roman cities have- Rome, Alexandria, and Athens all have wonders in them...

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by veezed

Anyway. Why the world? It's hard to make a decent representation of the roman empire on a world map. And regional powers will be reduced to one city or so each.

thats only if you use the "optimal" 24 space city spaceing- I dont, I have cluster of cities- but I assure you, it may look weird, but thats because when you click for shown territory it shows all owned squares, not only land squares like the game map dose, but the Roman empire is pretty dame accurate- from the walls of melitene, to the entrechment of Colonia Agripensis, its all good

 

[Xen]

as for why the world- the sceanrio STARTS in 100 CE- optimally, it would continue to span all history from that point

 

[veezed]

Originally posted by Xen


Roman empire is pretty dame accurate- from the walls of melitene, to the entrechment of Colonia Agripensis, its all good

doesn't Syria get awfully squashed, having to accomodate three megacities and some other important places? Syria always gives me grief really. Palmyra, Damascus, Antioch...they end up one square away from each other at best on a world map.

 

[veezed]

I always thought the Kushans had too few wonders, aside from those Rock Buddhas and that great Buddhist Symposium they organised in 150-ish AD.

Relatedly, don't you find the severe lack of Indian and Chinese units is tough? the only army that looks like anything is rome and some Barbarian Europeans.

 

[Xen]

I just chose Antioch- giveing ROme so many cities in the middle east put the Parthians at the disadvantage anyway