Voting Instructions
Players, please cast your votes in the poll above. Vote "Yea" for every proposal you'd be okay with if it were implemented. Vote "Nay" if you'd be okay if these proposals weren't implemented. You can vote for any number of options.
All votes are public. If you wish, you can discuss your choice(s) in the thread below. You can change your vote as many times as you want until the poll closes.
VP Congress: Session 2, Proposal 32
Discussion Thread: (2-32) Proposal: Unlock Scouts at Fishing instead of Sailing
Proposer: @alchx
Sponsor: @Recursive
Proposal Details
Now there is helplessness of pathfinder at the moment when spearmen and archers appear en masse (approximately 30-40 turns). Also, the scout becomes available later than the ability to swim and, having sailed away as a pathfinder to another continent, you can forget about this unit, because it is unlikely that he will be able to survive the next 100-200 turns, before returning home, and lose all the accumulated experience. Scouts can be a good counter to spearmen and archers (especially with regen on the march after 70xp), but they are way too far down the tech tree.
Spearman requires 2 technologies to unlock, Archer requires 3 technologies. Scout requires 5 technologies to unlock.
Pathfinder -20%CS vs Barbarians., Scout -10%CS vs Barbarians
Damage Ratio (Authority, +25%CS against barbarians):
Pathfinder - Barbarian Spearman about 15/70 (screenshot 3)
Pathfinder - AI's Spearman approximately 10/80-85 (screenshot 4)
Scout - Barbarian Spearman about 30/30 (screenshot 5)
Scout - AIs Spearman approx 25/35
In the last game with very active barbarians, two pathfinders walking together were practically helpless after turn 40 - any barbarian spearman became a deadly threat. A scout is quite capable of defending himself.
If you transfer a scout from Sailing to Fishing, then he will be available at the same time as the archer and spearman. On the plus side, the scout is very handy to use in defense or small raids on the enemy - the ability to ignore the terrain penalty makes it a very useful unit when you need to quickly get somewhere and divert attention to yourself before the arrival of stronger defenders. The Pathfinder will just die from one hit.
VP Congress: Session 2, Proposal 32a
Discussion Thread: (2-32a) Counterproposal: Remove scouting units' penalty VS Barbarians
Proposer: @Recursive
Sponsor: @Recursive
Proposal Details
With the increased spawn rates of Barbarians, I think this penalty has become unfun. Also, the AI gets their Pathfinders killed easily when there's too many barbs running around, which is part of why I had to nerf their spawn rates.
Scouts are already weaker than your average military unit anyway.
Players, please cast your votes in the poll above. Vote "Yea" for every proposal you'd be okay with if it were implemented. Vote "Nay" if you'd be okay if these proposals weren't implemented. You can vote for any number of options.
All votes are public. If you wish, you can discuss your choice(s) in the thread below. You can change your vote as many times as you want until the poll closes.
VP Congress: Session 2, Proposal 32
Discussion Thread: (2-32) Proposal: Unlock Scouts at Fishing instead of Sailing
Proposer: @alchx
Sponsor: @Recursive
Proposal Details
Now there is helplessness of pathfinder at the moment when spearmen and archers appear en masse (approximately 30-40 turns). Also, the scout becomes available later than the ability to swim and, having sailed away as a pathfinder to another continent, you can forget about this unit, because it is unlikely that he will be able to survive the next 100-200 turns, before returning home, and lose all the accumulated experience. Scouts can be a good counter to spearmen and archers (especially with regen on the march after 70xp), but they are way too far down the tech tree.
Spearman requires 2 technologies to unlock, Archer requires 3 technologies. Scout requires 5 technologies to unlock.
Pathfinder -20%CS vs Barbarians., Scout -10%CS vs Barbarians
Damage Ratio (Authority, +25%CS against barbarians):
Pathfinder - Barbarian Spearman about 15/70 (screenshot 3)
Pathfinder - AI's Spearman approximately 10/80-85 (screenshot 4)
Scout - Barbarian Spearman about 30/30 (screenshot 5)
Scout - AIs Spearman approx 25/35
In the last game with very active barbarians, two pathfinders walking together were practically helpless after turn 40 - any barbarian spearman became a deadly threat. A scout is quite capable of defending himself.
If you transfer a scout from Sailing to Fishing, then he will be available at the same time as the archer and spearman. On the plus side, the scout is very handy to use in defense or small raids on the enemy - the ability to ignore the terrain penalty makes it a very useful unit when you need to quickly get somewhere and divert attention to yourself before the arrival of stronger defenders. The Pathfinder will just die from one hit.
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VP Congress: Session 2, Proposal 32a
Discussion Thread: (2-32a) Counterproposal: Remove scouting units' penalty VS Barbarians
Proposer: @Recursive
Sponsor: @Recursive
Proposal Details
With the increased spawn rates of Barbarians, I think this penalty has become unfun. Also, the AI gets their Pathfinders killed easily when there's too many barbs running around, which is part of why I had to nerf their spawn rates.
Scouts are already weaker than your average military unit anyway.
