[Vote] (2-22) Proposal: Integrate Enhanced Naval Warfare into VP (with modifications)

[nekokon]

They can't ?
My bad, I forgot I might have did some stuffs to logistic a while ago since I hate losing hit and run for double attack. Nvm my last statement.

 

[azum4roll]

Reduce detection range to 2 for submarine and 1 for nuclear submarine, and can only be seen by ship with "can see submarine" promotion.

That will never work. Invisible units need to be detected when being adjacent to, otherwise what should happen if you move a unit onto the invisible unit?

 

[nekokon]

If you move next to that tile and doesn't have "can see submarine" then you won't see them, but if you try to move on top of that tile you will reveal them (and have 1 extra movement to get out of that tile - I encountered this behavior quite a few time already, where if you move to a tile beyond line of sight and have to pass through other units to get there, if an enemy is revealed on the way your unit would stop right where it is currently even if it's on top of another combat unit, and you have the option to move to another tile). I'm just assuming the same code (for stacking combat unit temporarily) can be reused for this case, if it's not possible then nvm.

 

[azum4roll]

I encountered this behavior quite a few time already, where if you move to a tile beyond line of sight and have to pass through other units to get there, if an enemy is revealed on the way your unit would stop right where it is currently even if it's on top of another combat unit, and you have the option to move to another tile

It only happens when you move a unit to a tile out of sight. The unit would stop when they spot the destination tile is occupied OR when they spot an enemy, but never when they already arrived at the spot.

 

[balparmak]

Updated the proposal with Rek's suggestions

 

[Stalker0]

Just to make it a bit clearer, your proposal is effectively "include ENW in its entirety, but with these name changes" right?

I think you imply that but its not written out, so I could believe a voter might assume you are just doing a name change and not the true integration.

 

[Rekk]

It's not, the details shows a removal of the extra destroyer in Information Era, at the very least.

 

[beginner_]

ith a creeping mandatory upgrade every few techs.

exactly. With all the other proposal around reducing gold income and making unit upgrade worse (more costly, xp loss, other ideas) having to basically spend even more money on naval unit upgrade is just not a good idea. I don't even see an issue with money right now. I'm almost always low especially when it comes to upgrading naval units.

In essence it will force one to invest more production into units and at the same time there are also discussion about introducing new buildings. we should in fact have a huge building rework so it more in-line with BNW and not needing to build every building anyway. I only have to think about the order of building, almost never if I whould build it.

I would be ok with this change in isolation but not when upgrading gets nerfed directly and indirectly (less gold).

 

[pineappledan]

upgrade costs are scaled off of the difference in production cost between the current unit and the unit it's upgrading into. More upgrades doesn't add a lot more actual gold cost.

The penalties for upgrading units are just... not a great idea in general.

 

[pineappledan]

I can sponsor this

 

[Recursive]

Proposal sponsored by pineappledan.