2 minutes or match?

[gozpel]

In the old days, when someone committed something horrific, the person was thrown off a cliff or his/her head was chopped off.

But todays slackness leaves the field open for other predators to take their prey and get away with it. In a way.

In Australia, a couple of weeks ago a 5 year old girl was missing...and found. She was raped and strangled and the police finally got the person guilty of the crime by good evidence. I'm torn to pieces over this, not only that a child died too early, but how she had to end her days.

Now the person's lawyer cries about this person's bad upbringing and life as a reason?

Ah well, don't we all have some kind of sorts of bad upbringing? But does that make us to kill people?

I think insanity is not an excuse, but an example of how clever predators/lawyers work their cases to get them off the penalty system. And then they come back to haunt other victims after a few years.

I want the "throwing off the cliff" option in this case. These people can never be rehabilitated, just get rid of them. If there is an excuse, it doesn't matter, they did it and they have to go anyways.

After proven guilty of course, by all means.

If you think I'm wrong, think of the "new" serial killer in US, who killed 50 females? I don't think he deserves to live. Do you?

 

[Jorge]

I don't know weather he deserves to live or not. What I know is that I'm wouldn't kill him and wouldn't like that the ones that represent me (my goverment) kill him neither.

 

[gozpel]

Live and let live?

Even if it was your daughter...or sister?

That's a talent I want to learn.

 

[thestonesfan]

It seems he has admitted it. If so, we should respect his word as truth, and put him to death.

 

[andrewgprv]

Why put him to death what will that logically accomplish? If we give the man life in prison then he will not be a threat to anyone else. Isn't that the point? To keep him from hurting others?

Oh wait I forgot we have to get our revenge.......Let the blood spill

 

[thestonesfan]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
Why put him to death what will that logically accomplish? If we give the man life in prison then he will not be a threat to anyone else. Isn't that the point? To keep him from hurting others?

Oh wait I forgot we have to get our revenge.......Let the blood spill

If we keep him in prison, it will cost us resources that he doesn't deserve. It's not about revenge, when the state is concerned, it should never be, it's about respecting the laws we must respect for society to function.

 

[omichyron]

of course the lawyer is trying to protect him. that's the lawyer's job. but insanity should be no defense for a crime... of course this is a trial by jury so if he gets off with two little punishment, we know who to blame. the live and let live folks on the jury

who incidently would be risking their own children if they live in the same area, so I would say leaving it up to them is reasonable enough.

 

[Laughing Gull]

If we give the man life in prison then he will not be a threat to anyone else. Isn't that the point? To keep him from hurting others?

People like him (pedophile murderers) often get killed in prision anyways. At least an officially sanctioned execution would be more humane than a broomstick forced up his anus and a sharpened toothbrush jammed in his eye socket.

 

[Thadlerian]

After all, the true reason we have trials, is to find out precisely why this cruel act has been commited, not to decide whether and how the public mob's immediate desire for revenge should be fullfilled.

If there is to be extracted any experience from this, all matters would have to be taken into account, to make sure we know as much as possible about how such minds work, so that we might be able to use that knowledge to prevent it from happening again. The matter of bad upbringing is not pleasant, because it shares the blame on more people that just the killer him/herself.

 

[taper]

Punishment for a violent crime should consist of 4 areas

Protection. Get the criminal off the streets so they are no longer a threat. This can be accomplished either by imprisioning them, or capitol punishment.

Rehabilitation. Help the criminal see the error of their ways, in the hope they can rejoin society. Sometimes this works, sometimes there is no realistic chance.

Punishment/reimbursment. For property crime, have the debt repaid, for personal crimes this isn't possible, leading to restriction of freedoms (jail time), or other similar punishments, to teach that there are reasons not to commit crimes.

Revenge. Humans, being human, will always want to exact revenge against someone that wronged them, in proportion to the crime committed against them.

Capitol punishment fits all these cases except rehab, which is often not possible with the types of people that commit crimes worthy of death anyway.

To me, the insanity plea to escape the death penalty is stupid. They still committed the crime, are very capable of doing so again, and because of their insanity, are likely to be less than ideal prisoners, the kind that kill guards.

 

[cgannon64]

No one deserves to be executed.

Why put him to death what will that logically accomplish? If we give the man life in prison then he will not be a threat to anyone else. Isn't that the point? To keep him from hurting others?

Oh wait I forgot we have to get our revenge.......Let the blood spill

Exactly.

If we keep him in prison, it will cost us resources that he doesn't deserve. It's not about revenge, when the state is concerned, it should never be, it's about respecting the laws we must respect for society to function.

I see. So we should give someone's life a dollar value?

People like him (pedophile murderers) often get killed in prision anyways. At least an officially sanctioned execution would be more humane than a broomstick forced up his anus and a sharpened toothbrush jammed in his eye socket.

I think the obvious solution here is to stop prison crime, rather than just kill him because someone else might.

 

[Perfection]

So we should kill people who are clearly insane? Insanity doesn't make a person evil, it makes them do evil things, many of these people have to live through the horrors atempted to control their irrational impulses. These people aren't inherently evil.

 

[Archer 007]

I'm against the death penalty, but this person should defetinaly get life without parole.

 

[Hitro]

What you have to see is that thinking someone deserves anything bad (including to die) and wanting the state / the government to carry out killings are two different things.

 

[Mrogreturns]

Here is an old argument on the issue of crime and insanity.

Two situations.

1. You are doing archery and while someone is removing arrows from a target you take aim at him ,release your arrow and kill him.


2. No one is in front of the target, you take aim at the target and release your arrow. Just after to release the arrow a man dashes in front of the target, is hit by your arrow and is killed.

The reason #1 is murder and #2 isn't is down to intent. We assume that in #1 you have formed in your mind the intention to carry out the act. In case #2 the intent is lacking.

In the case of mental illness it may be argued that as the person does not have a "normally" functional mind they may not be able to formulate intent.

When considering crimes related to paedephillia we should remember that, in many cases, the criminal was also a victim as a child. Now I don't mean to say that this can or should excuse them, but it does highlight the importance of the comments by Thadlerian above.

 

[Jorge]

Originally posted by taper



Capitol punishment fits all these cases except rehab, which is often not possible with the types of people that commit crimes worthy of death anyway.

The key word there is often. That means that sometimes it's possible. For me, although that sometimes were only 0.01 % of the cases it would be worth.

 

[Sickman]

Originally posted by gozpel

I want the "throwing off the cliff" option in this case. These people can never be rehabilitated, just get rid of them. If there is an excuse, it doesn't matter, they did it and they have to go anyways.

I agree about getting rid of these people.
However I think putting him just into sleep (injection)would be more clinical way.

Personally I see this as perfect example that when animal kills human it's seen that because it killed human it might do it again so it's put away with simple and efficient way. Even when dog kills it owner who has caused dog live in most horrible conditions.

I find putting people for rest of their life really more cruel punishment than death penalty and as said it costs the society the money that could be used for other concerns that actually may prevent crimes.

Killing someone is huge step in my opinion from stealing and especially if the killing consists cruel torture including rape.

 

[taper]

Originally posted by Jorge



The key word there is often. That means that sometimes it's possible. For me, although that sometimes were only 0.01 % of the cases it would be worth.

And not everybody who commits murder is put to death. Those that show a reasonable ability to be rehabbed often are. I'm advocating capitol punishment for those that really deserve it, the premeditated killers that show no remorse.

 

[andrewgprv]

Originally posted by taper


And not everybody who commits murder is put to death. Those that show a reasonable ability to be rehabbed often are. I'm advocating capitol punishment for those that really deserve it, the premeditated killers that show no remorse.

What about those that insist they didn't do it?

Far too many innocents are put to death.

 

[taper]

Of course they're going to say they didn't do it. I'm not aware of any innocent people being put to death in the US. There have been people released from death row, but shows that the system works. An innocent person was NOT put to death.