20 second unskippable government warning before watching a bought DVD/Blu-Ray

Suggesting that the government has a right to spy on my internet activity
......is something I never suggested or implied, and is therefore a scarecrow.

What I said is that media companies have the right to put inconvenient DRM and FBI warnings on CD's and DVD's. What I said is that you don't have the right to be free of DRM and FBI warnings.
 
So why quote me then when Im CLEARLY referring to federal government action? Dont start complaining about scarecrowing when your quoting implies a response to a topic.
 
Because you made a mistake. I corrected it. Recent Congressional legislation did not (attempt to) dismantle anybody's internet rights.

That is not true in any way.
The proposed legislation allowed companies not associated with the person censored to be the judge of whether or not the censoring should happen. Even if you take away the persons, it would have given companies indirect control over other companies product.
It would be like Mattel censoring the Washington Post because they ran a story on dolls.
 
That was my whole point. We don't have the right to any other media, either. Newspapers are not required to print your opinions in the Opinion section; radio stations are not required to give you air time; Tower Records is not required to print your songs onto CD's.

The problem is that it moves beyond that, and that the state becomes involved. There is the possibility of a public forum (not as in an internet forum, but as the original meaning), which is being limited. Youtube isn't allowed to have a public forum, as they somehow have the responsibility of their posters. This is a limitation on freedom of speech, as the medium is effectively not allowed not to self-police.

Doesn't give you the right to censure or limit speech on the internet, either. The entertainment companies printing the CD's and DVD's? They have every right to say what they want on them, including "Don't Steal This Movie".

Where the f*** did that come from?
And who the hell claimed that they doesn't have the right?
Strawman much?

Hell, even CFC's forum rules agree with me: "Your right to free speech does not apply here". For some strange reason, I don't see the Supreme Court censuring CFC for violating our Constitutional rights.

Again, are there anybody here that claims otherwise?
Where is that torch for this strawman?

Go back and re-read the thread at post #66. Akka started this, not me. Don't go yelling at me about it. And don't go yelling at him, either; he had every right to start a parallel argument, and I was perfectly happy to jump in and argue with him.

Okay, granted, I was a wee bit drunk last night when I posted that. :blush:

YouTube has already fully opened up the new market, and the results disprove your argument very solidly. The new business model is even more vulnerable to piracy than the old one. And the fact that the old model hasn't collapsed proves that the old model still works. Hell, I prefer the old model myself; having a movie, song, or video game on an actual disk produces far fewer headaches than the dicey security methods they use with direct-download. Also, it's faster. Instead of spending six hours downloading Diablo 3, I could simply walk right over to the local computer store and buy the actual disk. Takes about fifteen minutes. Plus about a dollar's worth of gas.

Okay, this is amusing to say the least. Go educate yourself first. Some of the links I have posted should get you started.
BTW, it is not faster, unless you have a stoneage connection (or, as in the case of Diablo 3, a billion people accessing at the same time (hyperbole), if they were all at the store, there would be an enormous line).

Yeah, well, next time you see that text banner across the top of a web page saying "please disable your ad-blocker; we depend on ads to keep this web site going", stop for a moment and realize that you're seeing the new version of an unskippable 20-second warning. And realize how little has really changed.

Both true and false. The unskipable warning is not quite the same, but your point stands, and it is a problem.

Edit: by the by, when you see one of those banners castigating you for having an ad blocker? A lot of those are actually hosted from off-site, and frequently you can have your ad blocker filter those out, as well. That's right: you can have your ad blocker block the ad asking you to remove your ad blocker. :)

I know, I am somewhat fluent in internet. ;)
JavaScript is easy to use, gives certain possibilities, but boy-o-boy is it a security hell hole.
 
......is something I never suggested or implied, and is therefore a scarecrow.

What I said is that media companies have the right to put inconvenient DRM and FBI warnings on CD's and DVD's. What I said is that you don't have the right to be free of DRM and FBI warnings.

And as it's been pointed out already, this is completely missing the point:

It's apples and oranges, your complaint. The fact that the stolen product is objectively better is what the OP is about. Even if you purchase the DVD, you'd still prefer to have a bootlegged copy. In fact, at (e.g.,) $2 a disk, ostensibly people're willing to pay $2 more to have a version of the movie they can watch without hassle.
 
What Zelig said.

The pirated movie is a single purpose high-quality product whereas the original dvd/blueray is cumbersome to use and only has neglegible advantages over the copy (i.e. extra menus with behind-the-scenes-footage etc).

But that is only one reason for piracy. The other one is the price.
One must wonder however, if sales would improve with companies delivering a better product instead of making it progressively worse.
 
They could make an advertising gimmick with a "stripped down version" or "minimalistic version". With no advertising and no fancy menu. The second the DVD is loaded you are sent to the menu. Perhaps we could even remove the menu on DVDs with one single movie. Subtitles, languages and so on can all be controlled from the DVD.
 
This is just insane, but then the entire copyright thing has been insane from the start.

I'm more and more convinced that the next battle for basic freedom will play on this theater, far from the much more visible but much less insidious typical battlefields.

Nope, not from the start.

Only ever since Disney gave a huge chunk of money to the president to extend copyright laws from 14 years from release date to 70 years after the death of original author.
 
Perhaps we could even remove the menu on DVDs with one single movie.

I noticed with the Warner Blu Rays that I have tried that after showing a short warning that can be skipped, a Warner Brothers logo appears and then the movie plays. If you want a menu you have to press the menu button on the remote.
 
Because you made a mistake. I corrected it. Recent Congressional legislation did not (attempt to) dismantle anybody's internet rights.

Which I argued they were as internet rights do exist just like telephone and television use grant some rights. That is when you went on your tangent where you claimed your point was in fact about DRM. So either your original point was about DRM at which point you are misquoting me or it isnt at which point you are trying to shift the conversation from the fact internet rights do exist to at least some degree. Make up your mind.
 
Don't act so surprised. A person can draw six months to two years for burglarizing a liquor store--even if the cash register is empty.
Putting burglary and downloading on the same level kinda prove Dachs right about you.
 
Information is the single most powerful ressource in the world, and it's being slowly copyrighted and lockdowned. That's one case of slippery slope that I find far too dangerous to ignore.

Your sentence reminds me of SMAC quote

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. "
Commissioner Pravin Lal
"U.N. Declaration of Rights"

So basically the media companies dreams of themselves our master? Or is that too simplistic of a view? It wouldn't surprise me. I think they do want to be our master. They want us to eat up any crap they want to shovel down our throats. The horrible music and movies they are giving us now days are proof of this. What happened to the day when movies used to be good?

So I read this entire thread, and no one tells me a way to skip the previews. I don't care about the FBI warning, that is short. But I'm watching the last Harry Potter movie (DVD from Netflix) on my computer right now. The older movies you could either hit the fast forward button, or manually move the bar to skip past the previews. But this movie won't let me do either. :mad: :mad: :mad: I admit I'm using the default movie player that comes up when I pop in the DVD. Is there another player that will let me get to the DVD menu without watching 13 minutes, yes 13 whole minutes of previews? I know I'm watching a children's movie in a way, but these previews had some penguin animations rapping, and it was so horrible. I hate most rap and hip-hop music, especially when it's aimed at kids. I had no way to skip it :( I had to turn the volume down, and I decided to read this thread to try to find a way to skip it. Help me please to learn how to skip these things.
 
Oh, and BTW:

http://www.audioholics.com/news/editorials/rentalgate

According to a letter sent by Fox senior VP of sales Don Jeffries: "We have developed product variations to feed different consumer consumption models and behaviors," the statement said. "For rental customers, we're delivering a theatrical experience in the home while promoting upcoming releases; for retail [or sell-through] customers, we're offering a premium product that expands the entertainment experience of that particular property to further enhance ownership."

Huh? So Fox considers a fully featured Blu-ray disc a “premium” product off-limits to rental chains and a product loaded with ads and stripped with features a “theatrical experience” for those that rent?
 
"Expands the entertainment experience." "Further enhance ownership." Gods. I hate him already.
 
My favorite thing about this 'unskippable' thing is that it excellently showcases the power of government and their ability to control corporations. I mean, do you think they to annoy us like this? Probably not really, they'd rather use other ways of reminding us of their copyright. They've painted themselves into a corner.
 
My favorite thing about this 'unskippable' thing is that it excellently showcases the power of government and their ability to control corporations. I mean, do you think they to annoy us like this? Probably not really, they'd rather use other ways of reminding us of their copyright. They've painted themselves into a corner.

I don't think they give a (crap) how annoyed we are, so long as money keeps going into their coffers.
 
I think they care a bit, if only because they'd prefer people maximally enjoy their end product. Of course, this annoyance is a consequence of them protecting their coffers, so there is a bit of a balancing act going on.
 
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