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2020 NFL offseason thread

Discussion in 'Sports Talk' started by Timsup2nothin, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Quad B

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    I think that I understated how much the Bears need a really strong quarterbacks coach. The solution to bad throwing isn't changing the play calling, the solution is fix the fundamental errors in the thrower. Nagy was the mechanic for Reid, but I don't think he understands how to get the mechanic work done without doing it himself...or he's just never found the right guy to do it.
     
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  2. rah

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    Well Pace keeps claiming he choose Mitch because of all the raw talent he saw. Unfortunately a few years in, he's the only one that has seen it.
    But yeah, maybe someone out there can help him.
     
  3. caketastydelish

    caketastydelish By any means necessary

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    It doesn’t matter if Tribusky isn’t good enough if there’s no one else they can (cheaply) acquire who is any better.

    Name anyone currently available they could get without spending a crap ton that would be an upgrade over Tribusky.

    Of course it’s a bad situation to be in, but that doesn’t mean the solution to fix it is currently possible.
     
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  4. rah

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    Which is why I sure hope Dalton and Brady aren't being considered.
    Or that they overpay Trubisky next march and make the issue last even longer.
    You can win with a mediocre QB. The Bears have before. (with a great defense usually)
     
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  5. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Quad B

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    Ummmmm....Mitch Trubisky would be a perfectly adequate quarterback too if he was handing the ball to Walter freakin' Payton.

    That kind of gets back to this theory that Trubisky is the only thing holding the otherwise great Bears back. Trubisky is a raw and possibly only middling talent...but he's still quite possibly the MVP of the Bears offense.
     
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  6. TheMeInTeam

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    Trubisky IS pretty rough per advanced metrics though, and he doesn't appear to be improving meaningfully. Since as you say they're not "just a QB away" and had basically no draft capital at present, they're kind of hosed.

    Do they have 2021 draft picks? They could roll with Trubisky or pick up some darts thrown at QB in free agency (almost always fails, but sometimes you get lucky) and effectively tank for a high pick to use on QB later if their FA QB and limited draft/FA capital in this offseason don't carry them. Trubisky has kind of proven incapable though, enough that you'd be willing to take a chance on random garbage since while the upside is unlikely, at least it's not proven failure. Or they could just try to get Bridgewater or something.

    If they want to embrace the tank maybe they can send a 6th round pick for Josh Rosen or something lol.

    This is a common thing to say in the NFL, and it perplexes me that people still buy it. Yeah, that guy is tall and can throw it really far. Sometimes he's also pretty fast. Yet he's not accurate and misses reads.

    Everyone seems to think they can teach a QB to be accurate and to not miss reads. Very rarely, someone actually does learn. Most of the time, you get Jake Lockers. It's a good strategy in Madden, but it's not a good strategy IRL to use high picks on these types of players.
     
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  7. Timsup2nothin

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    The thing with Trubisky not getting better could just be coaching though. His reads are less of a problem than his basic mechanics; footwork and throwing motion. That was actually Nagy's specialty, so it seems possible that he thought he'd be able to take care of that himself, and has now hopefully learned that a head coach doesn't have time for it. Of course, that being his specialty is what got him the "we need a 'quarterback whisperer' for our new top draft pick" job, so maybe the front office was thinking that he should be doing it himself too. If he turned right around and hired a good quarterbacks coach maybe the front office says "hey, why'd we hire him again?"

    The point is that if they give up on Trubisky and he goes somewhere as a backup and gets the right coaching for a couple years the Bears could wind up as the team that spent a number two draft pick on someone else's great quarterback.
     
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  8. TheMeInTeam

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    They front office might ask that, but the coach is still under contract. If hiring a QBs coach gets you wins, you hire him. Because you're not keeping that contract regardless w/o the wins, and winning tends to take care of it otherwise.
     
  9. Timsup2nothin

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    Oh, I fully agree that they should have. I just don't see any indication that they did. At least not an effective one. Which admittedly can be hard to find.
     
  10. caketastydelish

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    It’s hard to know how bad Josh Rosen actually is because his only two years in the league he was thrown to the wolves with absolute garbage. Even Chicago’s offense would surround him with better talent from what he’s had to work with.
     
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    Josh Rosen is a wild card. There's really no record of what he can or cannot do, and he's going to be pretty much cut loose. An otherwise very good team that lacks a quarterback could pick him up and reveal him as an elite prospect. Think about the Patriots if Brady signs somewhere else, the Steelers, maybe even the Chargers if they don't find an answer in the draft. Maybe the Colts.
     
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    The Chargers currently have an awful offensive line. But the Pats, Steelers, and Colts could make good destinations as things stand.

    edit: He could also potentially be the next Nick Foles in Philadelphia.
     
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    Amen brother
    Only because the offense sucked so bad that the bar is set really really low.

    They do have to much invested in him to give up on him too early. I understand, but it's really painful to watch.
     
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    If the Chargers were to pick up Rosen on the cheap to solve their QB problem then the sixth pick in the draft plus a big ticket free agent could turn their O-line right around. Add in that word is out that they will trade Melvin Gordon and keep Austin Ekelar and they have even more pieces to improve their puzzle. If (and it is still an if) Rosen has the chops to make it anywhere the Chargers might be as good a place as any.
     
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    That's actually not a bad idea. The worst scenario is that Rosen ends up being trash even with all that help, in which case they (Chargers) get another high draft pick the following year they could use to fix the QB problem.
     
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    In general grabbing players like Rosen or other unproven guys is better than going with veteran retreads. If they break out, great. If not, at least you're not wheezing to 6-8 wins and locked into what is still a pretty hefty veteran QB contract with a mediocre draft pick. Titans' situation is exceptional, but even in their case they didn't give big money before he did anything for them.

    Exceptions are guys like Brees, Peyton Manning when they hit FA market. Bridgewater too has a pretty solid pre-injury and post-injury track record. QBs like these on the market are rare but can be worth if you have the cap. Even Cousins arguably was, but now I've stated the majority of the good veteran FA QB options in the past decade or two.

    So if you're not going with something like that, taking fliers on guys like Rosen hoping one emerges is reasonable.
     
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    This was exactly the position I was stuck in for years watching the 49ers/Alex Smith saga unfold... in retrospect, they probably should have stuck with ol'reliable clock-manager Smith. He was a perfect fit for the Ground & Pound style team they were running.

    Trubisky could be a perfectly capable clock manager stewarding a Ground & Pound to consistent playoff runs... he just needs to settle in, hand the ball off a lot and don't try to do too much. Take the easy check-down passes the defense gives him, drain the clock. Job #1 is just don't throw picks. Trubisky could do it... but as @Timsup2nothin says... they need the workhorse back(s) for him to hand off to.
     
  18. Timsup2nothin

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    Problem there being that Nagy is about as likely to install a ground and pound offense as he is to sprout wings and fly, even if they had the backs for it. Nagy's offense will work, with Trubisky, if they can do three things; improve his fundamentals which will improve his accuracy, get a back who knows how to be a threat in that passing game, get a couple better than average receivers, on who can threaten deep and one who can reliable move the chains. Oh, and a decent O-line would certainly help. Sign Trub to a reasonably friendly contract and those things are doable, even with their lack of draft capital.
     
  19. caketastydelish

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    Maybe in free agency they could get someone like Melvin Gordon.
     
  20. Timsup2nothin

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    They are pretty far down the cap space ladder, but maybe.

    As a positive concluding comment on the Bears...they just hired John DeFilippo as quarterbacks coach.
     
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