2020 US Election (Part One)

[innonimatu]

Are the Spooks even that important to the British Establishment these days? The spooks didn't even have the power to stop Blair from dragging the UK into a war they spooks were trying to avoid and stood by as Blair shamelessly twisted intelligence.

I don't know. They were split on brexit so their effort with Rory Steward was half-hearted at best. I recall reading that Dearlove was very active on pushing for a hard brexit and the guy has clout.

Likewise Buttigieg isn't really the spook's candidate in the US. There's too many of them to agree on putting one forth!

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I looked all over for the NH debate, and finally found it on democrats.org. For the most part, its the same old arguments, just presented with a snottier attitude.

It's Saturday morning here, and my self imposed deadline for mailing in my ballot is Monday. I'm looking for a breakthrough.

I did not realize there was a debate on tonight. I am skipping it though, I'm not in the mood for this.

 

[Imaus]

I did not realize there was a debate on tonight. I am skipping it though, I'm not in the mood for this.

Came across it while channel flipping. Passed on by.

 

[astrallite]

If Trump had been elected in 2000 we wouldn't have invaded Iraq, he might have even prevented 9/11 by changing direction on foreign policy. If he was elected in 2008 Libya and Syria would still be intact countries. With up to a million or more dead and millions displaced all stemming from policies Clinton supported and Trump opposed you might lose that argument.

Bush wasn't even elected in 2000. He lost the vote and the re-count was stopped because future Bush Admin officials staged a riot to prevent the re-count (Brooks Bros Riot). Republicans know they lost the election in 2000. This is why I don't understand all the fuss about Trump's antics. With Reagan negotiating with Iran not to the release the hostages to the Carter admin and Nixon negotiating with the Vietcong not to make peace with the Johnson Admin, the Republican party has for a long time been a treasonous party that exists to win at any cost, party over country.

Trump is just less polite than previous Republicans which is causing all kinds of pearl clutching among elite in Washington circles. I mean Nancy Pelosi even said that there was no grounds to impeach W Bush even if he knowingly started the Iraq War on a lie--causing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to die, thousands of Americans, and wasted trillions of dollars. The only thing that Washington cares about is being properly deferential and engaging in civility politics.

 

[Takhisis]

Bush wasn't even elected in 2000. He lost the vote and the re-count was stopped

It's OK, that's the same that Berzerker counts as ‘elected’ for 2016.

 

[amadeus]

Bush wasn't even elected in 2000. He lost the vote and the re-count was stopped because future Bush Admin officials staged a riot to prevent the re-count (Brooks Bros Riot). Republicans know they lost the election in 2000.

What? The Supreme Court ruled that Florida’s different counting standards by county violated the 14th Amendment.

Bush won the 2000 election fairly.

 

[ThERat]

After watching parts of the debate, I realized sth: Pete sounds exactly like all those slogans at my workplace. All those meaningless pompous things that tell you nothing about anything. That's just what he is. Not sure what on earth people in Iowa found so appealing in him. I liked the billionaire Steyer, even though he stands no chance. But he got way more conviction about issues than that guy he just wants to sound grand.

 

[Kyriakos]

I agree with the youtuber: this made Joe look likable for a change
Nice response by Klobuchar too.
It is rather strange that you ask something like that and not direct the question to Bernie

 

[Berzerker]

Bush wasn't even elected in 2000.

It's OK, that's the same that Berzerker counts as ‘elected’ for 2016.

I didn't mention Bush

What? The Supreme Court ruled that Florida’s different counting standards by county violated the 14th Amendment.

Bush won the 2000 election fairly.

Gore wanted his stronger areas recounted using more lax standards - hanging and dimpled chads etc, the court said that violates the equal protection rights of other voters. Democrats cried foul, they wanted to cheat and the court wouldn't let 'em.

 

[Ironsided]

DNC and the Media knows exactly what they are doing when they rig the narrative in Buttys favour. Sunday February 2nd Emerson poll had Sanders at 32% Butty at 12%. Yesterday Emerson had Sanders basically holding at 31% but Butty is up to 24%. That’s significant. That’s a doubling of the support for a guy who has no plan at all for Americans. Who is going to play by ear and donor interests?

Haven’t seen much of the debate, only the bit where Bernie call Pete out on his 40 billionaire donors and that was a good exchange. The thing people online seem to miss in this segment is the start of the argumentation where Bernie says he will get money out of politics completely – that’s the important part for democracy – they focus more on the callout, but waddayagonnado?

Edit: Poll was for NH

 

[Fippy]

Bloomberg is rising fast, in case somebody missed that.

 

[Gorbles]

Anyone who uses the word mansplain doesn't deserve to be listened to.

Anyone that says "X doesn't deserve to be listened to" is often doing so from the position of being called X, and therefore is seeking to undermine it at any opportunity. These people are the people that shouldn't be listened to, because it shows they can't take criticism, or be objective in the face of it

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Anyone that says "X doesn't deserve to be listened to" is often doing so from the position of being called X, and therefore is seeking to undermine it at any opportunity. These people are the people that shouldn't be listened to, because it shows they can't take criticism, or be objective in the face of it

The real snowflakes are those that can't take even the most moderate of critique..., y'know those that get "triggered" by a phrase such as "mansplaining".

 

[luiz]

Anyone that says "X doesn't deserve to be listened to" is often doing so from the position of being called X, and therefore is seeking to undermine it at any opportunity. These people are the people that shouldn't be listened to, because it shows they can't take criticism, or be objective in the face of it

Does that mean that people saying that people saying that X shouldn't be listened to shouldn't be listened to?

 

[Gorbles]

Does that mean that people saying that people saying that X shouldn't be listened to shouldn't be listened to?

Depends on the context, but good effort regardless.

 

[Tee Kay]

Bloomberg is rising fast, in case somebody missed that.

We're trying our best not to notice

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Bloomberg is rising fast, in case somebody missed that.

Because what america needs is another oligarch so detached from reality that they genuinely think they have anything in common with the 99%

 

[Narz]

Funny comment from a YouTube video

The guy is so slick I have to admit

Here's video comment was from

I strongly disagree that Pete was "destroyed", I'm actually impressed by him in the same way I'd be impressed by an algorithm writing a short story. His flow is smooth, creative and eloquent, it just doesn't move me emotionally, because of lack of substance.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You should like Iran more then

Well, many strident US Christians really don't like Muslims, especially the Iranian kind. Personally, I favor the Sufi poets like Rumi and Hafiz.

 

[innonimatu]

Well, many strident US Christians really don't like Muslims, especially the Iranian kind. Personally, I favor the Sufi poets like Rumi and Hafiz.

Look better. Some christian groups have been the most vocal opposing a war, and even sanction, against Iran. Not every christian is a member of some crazy protestant sect looking for armaggedon.