2020 US Election (Part One)

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I'm actually of the mind that Sanders will ultimately lose the nomination fair and square; I just don't think his ideas resonate with most Americans and even within most of the Democratic base, but all the Democrats' actions almost make it look like they want people to think that there's some conspiracy to steal the election from him. The hot caucus mess in Iowa and now this? Wyle E. Coyote with a box of TNT couldn't bungle it this badly.

I mean you are talking about the DNC here lol. Bungling things terribly is what they do best.

Anyways, more importantly Sander's positions have popular support on almost every topic. Almost every single one. If you can show me one poll that has sub 50% popularity for M4A I'd be interested in looking at it. Also college tuition policy also enjoys popular support and most of the rest of his policies. Mention one that is not popular?

You have to excuse the source I know its a liberal rag, but its the first non paywall site that had a compilation of polls put together with links inside the story.

https://www.salon.com/2017/01/14/am...ers-economic-policies-so-howd-we-end-up-here/

Public polling tends to support his claim. A Gallup survey from last May, for example, revealed that a majority of Americans (58 percent) support the idea of replacing the Affordable Care Act with a federally funded health care system (including four in 10 Republicans!), while only 22 percent of Americans say they want Obamacare repealed and don’t want to replace it with a single-payer system. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll from last year had similar results: Almost two-thirds of Americans (64 percent) had a positive reaction to “Medicare-for-all,” while only a small minority (13 percent) supported repealing the ACA and replacing it with a Republican alternative. These are surprising numbers when you consider how the Sanders campaign’s “Medicare-for-all” plan was written off by critics as being too extreme.

On other issues, a similar story presents itself. Public Policy Polling (PPP) has found that the vast majority (88 percent) of voters in Florida, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- four crucial swing states, three of which went to Trump this fall -- oppose cutting Social Security benefits, while a majority (68 percent) oppose privatizing Social Security. Similarly, 67 percent of Americans support requiring high-income earners to pay the payroll tax for all of their income (the cap is currently $118,500), according to a Gallup poll. America’s two other major social programs, Medicare and Medicaid, are also widely supported by Americans, and the vast majority oppose any spending cuts to either. In fact, more Americans support cutting the national defense budget than Medicare or Medicaid.

It goes on and on. A majority of Americans, 61 percent, believe that upper-income earners pay too little in taxes. A majority of 64 percent believe that corporations don’t pay their fair share in taxes. Significant majorities believe that wealth distribution is unfair in America, support raising the minimum wage (though perhaps not as high as Sanders would like), and say they are worried about climate change.
 
Watching the Bernie rally in Durham, my goodness, these people are on fire. The vibe is just absolutely amazing. The establishment is shitting in their pants :)

I missed Nina Turner, but Cornell West and AOC were just on steroids
 
Watching the Bernie rally in Durham, my goodness, these people are on fire. The vibe is just absolutely amazing. The establishment is ****ting in their pants :)
Yeah, I'm strongly considering switching to Sanders from Warren for the Minnesota presidential primary.* I had high hopes for Warren as having much of Sander's policies while also being palatable to both the Democratic establishment and suburbanites. However, it seems she is losing supporters to "change, but nothing to radical" (Buttigieg) and "smartest guy in the room" (Bloomberg). I haven't seen any polling for Minnesota so I don't know how to vote if I want to keep out Buttigieg. Also, I can't discount The Klob doing well from home state advantage.

*We still have a caucus for everything but the president, for twice the voting fun. And yes, they are on different days!
 
Yes, but, neither is Trump.
I think the point is that, while we still have the chance to have ‘moderately good’ instead of ‘not as bad to the point of dismal’, we should take it.
 
Yeah, I'm strongly considering switching to Sanders from Warren for the Minnesota presidential primary.* I had high hopes for Warren as having much of Sander's policies while also being palatable to both the Democratic establishment and suburbanites. However, it seems she is losing supporters to "change, but nothing to radical" (Buttigieg) and "smartest guy in the room" (Bloomberg). I haven't seen any polling for Minnesota so I don't know how to vote if I want to keep out Buttigieg. Also, I can't discount The Klob doing well from home state advantage.

*We still have a caucus for everything but the president, for twice the voting fun. And yes, they are on different days!

I made this same jump largely because she backed off medicare for all, which I consider a human right issue at this point in history. It seems like she got Obama people support and rapidly started backing off her strongest positions that might actually change the wealth gaps in America. Its sad. She represents my sensibilities so well.
 
I made this same jump largely because she backed off medicare for all, which I consider a human right issue at this point in history.
To some degree that is a recognition of the political reality. The ACA was the best thing the Democrats could get through with a Senate supermajority and one of the largest vote-wrangling operations in recent memory. Working to improve the ACA, such as expanding Medicare coverage and possibly including it as a subsidized buy in, is far more politically viable than a bill that would quite possibly be the largest bill -in terms of economic impact- ever written.
 
I mean I all I heard was that she added a two(?) year phase-in period. I don't really see that as going soft or backing off of the concept.

I have real worries about Bernie's attitudes towards the space program in all sectors - commercial, civil and military. His website had a pretty stupid quip on NASA in particular. I'll still vote for him but I wish he'd be less boneheaded about this specific topic.
 
Anyways, more importantly Sander's positions have popular support on almost every topic. Almost every single one. If you can show me one poll that has sub 50% popularity for M4A I'd be interested in looking at it. Also college tuition policy also enjoys popular support and most of the rest of his policies. Mention one that is not popular?
I don’t know whether or not I would agree with the polling data insofar as that level of support doesn’t seem to be reflected in Sanders’ polling. Now I understand he’s running in primaries where his challengers also support some of these ideas, but my main point is just that I very sincerely doubt a coordinated campaign exists in the Democratic Party to pull the rug out from a supposedly massively popular candidate.
 
Yeah, I'm strongly considering switching to Sanders from Warren for the Minnesota presidential primary.* I had high hopes for Warren as having much of Sander's policies while also being palatable to both the Democratic establishment and suburbanites. However, it seems she is losing supporters to "change, but nothing to radical" (Buttigieg) and "smartest guy in the room" (Bloomberg). I haven't seen any polling for Minnesota so I don't know how to vote if I want to keep out Buttigieg. Also, I can't discount The Klob doing well from home state advantage.

It'll be Sanders versus Bloomberg buying his way in. And the sooner Sanders takes a big lead, the sooner Bloomberg's money becomes powerless to shove him aside.
 
It'll be Sanders versus Bloomberg buying his way in. And the sooner Sanders takes a big lead, the sooner Bloomberg's money becomes powerless to shove him aside.
I dunno, my gut feeling is that Bloomberg is firmly in 'flavor of the month' territory. Since Bloomberg isn't contesting Iowa/New Hampshire the other candidates haven't focused on him as they have been consumed with those states.
 
I dunno, my gut feeling is that Bloomberg is firmly in 'flavor of the month' territory. Since Bloomberg isn't contesting Iowa/New Hampshire the other candidates haven't focused on him as they have been consumed with those states.
It seems like Bloomberg is hoping that those early contests don’t produce a clear winner and then adblitz and wedge his way in through his deep pockets.

He’s placed third in a national Quinnipiac poll: Sanders/Biden/Bloomberg at 25/17/15. It seems to be kind of working for now but I don’t think he’s gonna get it even if he ends up winning a few states.
 
Best chance of progressive candidate was to unify Sanders/Warren as they seen to lead Biden/Buttigieg.

Sooner they do that the better. Say a few more states in.
 
Yang fired his campaign manager, you just completely wasted your vote
 

Please help save Chris Matthews' life. The communist paramilitaries threaten to publicly execute him.

In his defense he is not wrong. He would be targeted by communists revolutionaries. Of course there are no such revolutionaries out there right now so no one knows WTH he is talking about.

never mind it’s just a stupid dumb corporate dem attack on sanders nothing to see here.
 

Although selecting someone from the others running to get the nomination makes sense politically, I think it would be great if Bernie (having won the nomination) chooses Nina Turner as his vice president.
Practically, though, I suppose it would be better vote-wise to select another politician. Nina is great, but she is entirely on the same page as Bernie. Tulsi maybe a good choice (due to her popularity with republicans). Who would be a good VP pick in a Bernie 2020 race?

(also, indeed Nina would demolish Pence, but so would Tulsi and likely many others)
 
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