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2020 US Election (Part Two)

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lexicus, Mar 11, 2020.

  1. Takhisis

    Takhisis brown-haired beauty

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    You quote Takhisis, Ironsided, Gorbles, Rob Anybody, Zardnaar, cardgame and rah, out of whom only the last two are USians (I'm not sure abotu Rob Anybody). The rest of us are mere peregrini alarique who get to live in the sphere of influence of the U.S. of A. without much of a say except for our online bickering.
     
  2. Patine

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    Hence I said, "Americans," in the third person, and not "you," in the second person. You said in an introductory post about yourself on the Civ3 forums you teach English in Argentina. Thus, this simple grammatical device (which I believe is also present, nearly identically, in Spanish) should be nothing new and shocking to you.
     
  3. haroon

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    You don't teach Takhisis English! :gripe::aargh::wallbash:
     
  4. RobAnybody

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    Yes, exactly. That's exactly how I meant it to be offensive. No sarcasm. I just didn't mean to be rude, like you how put it, but basically, yes, I'll own it. Sommer explained what I mean perfectly (& I think Sommer shares my attitude, but, again, going from what I pick up in context, is not Us White Dudes, so I didn't include him in my spiel, no offense Sommer). Us White Dudes will be fine under a Trump Regime. We clearly have empathy for people not "like us" (not the deplorables though - they can rot) because we oppose Trump above all else *even though we'll be fine*. We're Single Issue Voters in this sense. If you aren't willing to oppose Trump & he wins a 2nd term, well, then... we'll be fine, sigh, & watch the country crumble as we coast through life on our privilege. C'est la vie. No consequences for us.
    USian here, fwiw. Go Tar Heels!
     
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  5. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The trees are actually quite lovely.

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    I'm a US white dude and Trump has been financially busting. He picked a trade war on agriculture's back, into a depression. The bandaids didn't heal it. It's raining and we can't decide if it even makes sense to plant. Could be worse, yes. But that's mostly because Dad's holding on and at the age where he gets social security. Really hosing over life plans and some of the small time neighbors tho.
     
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  6. Takhisis

    Takhisis brown-haired beauty

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    It's the same here where the local Trump worshippers have effectively made it less unprofitable for me at times to sit at home watching TV than working.
     
  7. RobAnybody

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    To be honest, I don't agree with, or even understand, many of your posts, Farm Boy, but this Single Issue "whatever, got mine" Anti-Trump coalition I'm apparently a spokesperson for in this thread, also recognizes that this dip**** has screwed over USian agriculture, when he's not turning them into welfare queens sucking off the government teat instead of earning an honest living by their bootstraps, which none of us want to see.

    See, Ironsided? That's the type of offensive I'm going for.
     
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  8. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The trees are actually quite lovely.

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    Agriculture is a communal endeavor. 300 million people and low starvation year over year is a feat of miraculous complexity. Subsidizing setaside so that we can fallow the earth rather than burn biodiversity does not mean people stop working. It means they spend some of that work stewarding instead of hanging from dairy rafters. <shrug> But that sort of competency appears lost.

    Splinting a sparrow's wing or however Paul Harvey said it. It's a dated concept and that fat orange rapist New York clown certainly doesn't give a ****. :lol:
     
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  9. Berzerker

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    'I will over ride the governors'

    if they wont allow churches to open... You dont have that power, Trump

    and I keep hearing Repubs ask why liquor and pot shops can stay open while churches cant

    because buying pot or booze doesn't require an hour sitting in a room with a crowd sharing the air
     
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  10. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Quad B

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    Also, it should be noted that the counter guy at the liquor store has never tried to hug me. At church pretty much everyone does. I miss going to church a lot more than I would miss going to the liquor store, but it seems very obvious why we aren't.
     
  11. hobbsyoyo

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    I feel like I have been honest and forthright about being a playboy millionaire with a supermodel wife and my own pet rocket company. Don't @ me :p

    You call me delusional and yet won't even conceive of Trump trying to stay in power illegally while he's busying himself laying the ground work for exactly that.

    In any case, I find it disturbing when people say they're fine with 4 more years of Trump because somehow that will clear the way for real progressives. How many have died because of Trump's ineptness? How many more are we willing to sacrifice in hopes we somehow come out better on the other side? It's as if people saw the economy collapse around Hoover and decided well, he might as well have another shot because FDR isn't socialist enough. It's almost like wishing more misery and death on the country as if that would finally turn people toward the light.

    I don't think it will, instead it will allow Trump 4 more years to complete the GOP takeover of the government. I agree that the US is a flawed democracry right now and many, many issues have to be corrected. But we're at an inflection point that we might not walk back from. I do not see a path for the country to get back on a track to a functioning, vibrant society under Trump, excluding a complete revolution and social collapse brought about by his corruption and incompetence. Even that is not a certainty and even if it was a sure deal, I am not willing to see everyone suffer through that upheaval when we could just stop it now by voting him out.
    How are the Democrats not trying very hard to stop the GOP? The entire system is corrupt and heavily tilted toward the interests of the rich. Trump lost the popular vote but won the election. The Democrats got a 50% higher vote margin in 2018 relative to the GOP in 2012 but only picked up 30% more seats thanks to gerrymandering. State legislatures are even worse off with respect to gerrymandering and the courts are being stuffed daily because that's literally the only thing the Senate will work on right now - McConnell is stopping all efforts to combat covid and fix the economy but has been as busy as ever seating judges for life.

    In spite of all that, the House is passing a lot of progressive legislation and have been since 2018. State parties (like here in California) have passed a ton of progressive initiatives and are pushing those issues to the national forefront.

    And at the end of the day, I do not see how you can take away that the Democrats do not further your interests. They may not go as far as you and I like, but they definitely want to improve just about all the things we care about. Sure, we may not get medicare 4 all, but an improved Obamacare is infinitely better than lobbying the courts to throw 20 million people of health insurance in the middle of the pandemic as Trump has. We may not get the green new deal, but Democratic administrations have consistently passed stricter environmental regulations that have improved everyone's quality of life. On just about every issue, the Democrats will make things better, if not as good as they could be.

    And if people like you reject the party, then it's not going to get more progressive in response. Without a viable 3rd party alternative, you're basically hanging progressive ideals out to dry. People blame the Democrats for tacking toward the middle when the progressives don't turn out. Well, when they've tacked left and lost (like Bernie just did), then the left wing stays home. How else are the Democrats going to get votes? This is not a center-left country at the moment. If you don't vote because you don't get everything you want, the response by the party is naturally going to be to pivot toward those who do vote. That's the center and right.

    By abstaining, the left becomes the driving force for the Democrats to tack right.


    I was a vocal Warren supporter. I talked about her a lot her and predicted she would win. I voted for her before it was clear she was going to lose and wish I had instead voted for Bernie because he was my second choice. Biden was literally my last choice, I can't stand the guy.

    I did have issues with Bernie's stance on the space program because it was stupid. It's one of the few American industrial strengths we have left and provides a ton of good paying, non-exportable jobs. Bernie's stance was 'we should spend money on Earth, not on space' which was breathtakingly dumb. But in the same post where I blasted his shortsightedness, I explicitly said I'd still back him in spite of that. I had to repeat it in a couple of posts because others like you* seemed only to fixate on my criticism and not on what else I had said - that I'm not a single-issue voter, that he'd overall be good for the country and that I support him.

    Haven't you heard that liberal is a four-letter word here.
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    *If I remembered names I'd @ them but it's been a minute and I don't recall specifics. I hate 'some people' vaguebook posts but I really don't recall who all tried to pin me down as a single issue voter despite me saying explicitly that I'm not and I still supported him. And please, please, please fight me on this because I'd love to spam a few pages on why Bernie's stance on the space program was terrible for American labor and the American economy at large. It was moronic and I'm fairly certain he didn't really put any thought into it beyond what it took to put a pithy quip together.
     
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  12. Patine

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    You seem to just be another deluded sharp absolutist demographic thinker who lacks any perspective, proportion, or context - or serious or sober thought or consideration - on these matters, just on the "other side," (though absolutist binary political viewpoints is another idiotic conceit and mass hysteria of stupidity of the modern zeitgeist, hence the quotation marks) from the others here I've excoriated for such braindead and destructive thinking. People have to learn to see the forest for the trees!
     
  13. hobbsyoyo

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    We can hope at this point.
    There's no room for that level of discussion when we're all trying to rally the troops just to show up. It sucks the oxygen out of the room. If I didn't have to read that Biden is a rapist in every other post (evidence be damned!) and no one should vote for him, maybe I'd spend more time whinging about how he needs to push progressive.

    I can't speak for others but I write my representatives regularly. I vote against people like Biden in primaries. I haven't yet donated to leftist causes but now that I'm full-time employed, I will. I regularly advocate here and IRL for progressive initiatives and that won't stop if Biden gets elected. If he gets elected, there's a chance we can get what we want. If he loses, there is no chance of getting anything we want whatsoever.

    And to go back to the bolded point in my last post - by sitting out general elections when they can't win primaries and then refusing to work with or communicate with the Democrats that do win primaries, the left is itself a major driving force for the Democrats going right. If the Democrats can't win elections because a big chunk of their base sits it out in a huff, they have to follow the votes and that means the center-right because that's what our country is. The GOP learned this and that is in part what gave us the teahadists.

    We have to stand together to win, then continue pushing the limp noodle liberals like Biden to step up to the progressive plate.

    The solution is - VOTE, then write whingy @ blasts on social media and letters to your leader-peeps to make sure they hear you and your desire to push progressive. Primary their asses and donate to their progressive rivals when they don't pass muster. But in the general, vote Democratic because not voting means regression, not eventual progression.


    This is a reaching, knee-jerk response, both from the context of the conversation and in what he actually wrote.
    Don't beat yourself up. It was a fine piece of performative wokeness that made a good point. @Takhisis bent over backwards to take offense at it because in my opinion it was a good point that isn't easy to accept. Unfortunately he expressed his own pissed-offness with another piece of performative wokeness that attempted to one up yours. How dare you remind anyone that our society is grossly unequal?
     
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  14. Timsup2nothin

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    Frankly this is my opinion regarding a whole lot of "his" issues.
     
  15. hobbsyoyo

    hobbsyoyo Deity

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    Sorry I wrote walls of text. I need an editor.
     
  16. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    Yes.. yes!!!



    I got your back Hobbs. I was in the same boat, I actually live in Massachusetts and actually voted for Bernie, over Warren, who was my preferred candidate. But he let me down and lost, so you shouldn't feel bad at all. Bernie was a big let-down.
    On the quiet, the space program is the most important issue in human history... and un-ironically possibly the most important issue in the universe, from the perspective of life. The universe will endure,with or without life, but the Earth will inevitably be swallowed by the demise of the sun. Life on Earth must eventually migrate to new planets,and then new solar systems to survive.
     
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  17. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy The trees are actually quite lovely.

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    Nah, Sommer, your party members were a huge let down. Which shouldn't be a big surprise. I've been telling you they're pieces of **** for years. Which you should have been believing, like I've been believing you.
     
  18. Berzerker

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    libs...fewer syllables too
     
  19. Imaus

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    Accelerationism is sadism made manifest for the whole civic bloc; and there's also the fact that the centre can bash both the left and right at the same time - that if, of course, is the Center is still around because all accelerationism is doing is giving the entrenched right cement, mortar, brick, slaves, whips and specie and telling them to go at it and somehow one expects that to come around and fall on the builders.

    Thankfully I don't believe (or see?) accelerationism in the 'outside' much, mostly due to the above reasons. It is shooting yourself in the foot, personally and civically. It is dragging the nation down, the whole world down, to more madness, in some vain hope, from the hole of ineffective powerlessness, that one would fly out of that hole. And that hole is labelled 'disarmed and meeks here' than anything else. Sure, there is 'power' by denial, power by action of inaction, but compared to every other form of power, it is the weakest and most pathetic, and the most easily stripped away, and/or stepped over. It is far more better to muster all you can and be proactive on any level, local or grand.
     
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    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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