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2020 US Election (Part Two)

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lexicus, Mar 11, 2020.

  1. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    *ramp*
     
  2. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    He was using the "royal ramp," which is spelled ram.
     
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  3. Takhisis

    Takhisis brown-haired beauty

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    Typo corrected.
    It's alright; after all, I must have triggered Sommerswerd's memory with my earlier comment about his goatee…
     
  4. Velegon

    Velegon Chieftain

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    Even as a non-American, I absolutely agree that redistricting should be non-partisan. But taking a look at these 2018 state house results and Illinois doesn't look that bad - at least the party that won the majority of the votes won the majority of the seats:

    Illinois R 40.4% 44 seats D 59.6% 74 seats
    Michigan R 47.4% 58 seats D 52.1% 52 seats
    Pennsylvania R 44.4% 110 seats D 55.0% 93 seats
    Wisconsin R 44.8% 63 seats D 53.0% 36 seats
    North Carolina R 48.2% 65 seats D 50.5% 55 seats
     
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  5. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    I just don't really see AOC as a "party leader" or "senior figure in the party" because she's only a freshman representative and she's very young, and my impression is that many, perhaps even most Democrats see her as too far-left and not representative of the party at large. I don't have any hard evidence for this last point but it's how I feel.

    Also, yes, Obama could absolutely have convinced way more Democrats than AOC but we know he wasn't gonna endorse anyone and Sanders would be the last person he'd endorse if he was gonna endorse someone.

    I think you know my position on this question. Most Democratic apparatchiks are ideologically/personally hostile to Sanders and would not endorse him no matter what. Indeed, if the shenanigans in the Labour Party during the 2017 UK election are any indication, I think it is reasonable to suppose that there are plenty of Democrats who would have actively sabotaged Sanders had he become the nominee in order to discredit him and the party's left-wing more generally.

    Certainly not. Even had Warren backed Sanders instead of running herself, leading to 100% of the people who voted for her voting for Bernie (which I don't think would have been the case anyway), Bernie would not have won. The numbers don't work out for that. That is clear in retrospect but that was also my opinion at the time of the early primary contests, not sure whether I said so on CFC or not.

    It's not blaming Warren, it's simply observing that she ran against him instead of acting as his ally. And I don't "blame" her for that insofar as I think she and Sanders are actually quite different ideologically, so it made perfect sense for her to run against him despite many attempts to paint them as "basically the same but Warren more competent" or what have you.

    I actually agree and I found the online attacks directed at Warren, essentially blaming her for being in the race, extremely distasteful and silly. The hardcore Bernie people were just mad he lost.
     
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  6. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    To echo, Warren and Sanders are in ideological terms quite far apart. Sanders is a socialist while Warren comes from the reformist political tradition.
     
  7. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    I really hope Biden doesn't pick Kamala Harris as a running mate. He's babbled about getting a token black lady but please not her. I can hold my nose and vote for Biden but not if his old ass chooses her as his vice.
     
  8. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    You still butthurt about weed?
     
  9. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    That is such a weird line to draw. "I can excuse his racism, weird touching, selling out to the finanical sector, cheerleading the Iraq War, etc, etc. but if he picks Kamala as his VP that's a bridge too far!"
     
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  10. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    She just strikes me as an evil person, laughing about parents who's kids missed school going to jail and comes off very fake. Biden is arrogant but he doesn't strike me as evil, just kind of a buffoon who can be pressured to do the right thing despite his past.

    It's the difference between just gross and throughly disgusting.
     
  11. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Trump wants to screw his daughter and Pence calls his wife Mother.
    If that isn't thoroughly disgusting I don't know what is.
     
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  12. Lexicus

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    Well isn't he likely picking the Klob anyway?
     
  13. Berzerker

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    If districts favoring Democrats cant be split up or crammed together, whats the solution? Imo districts should reflect the urban/rural diversity of the state and look like the spokes of a wheel with cities near the hub, so Grand Rapids would be split up and so would Detroit. That would mean fewer 'safe seats' and fewer seats set aside for minorities. Partisanship increases when politicians can choose their voters.
     
  14. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    After what's going on in Minneapolis right now? And her own awkward prosecutorial record involving a black guy? Biden isn't touching her with a 50ft pole.
     
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  15. Lexicus

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    Biden himself just told Charlamagne tha God "if you can't decide between me and Trump you ain't black" so I find this somewhat dubious
     
  16. Takhisis

    Takhisis brown-haired beauty

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    You're seriously trying to win Narz over with arguments based on the sexual misconduct of somebody he's supposed to reject?
     
  17. Estebonrober

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    not now . . .

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/9169...-prosecute-officer-center-george-floyds-death

    efore she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden's vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, and did not prosecute the officer who kneeled on Floyd's neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.
     
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  18. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    Again,
     
  19. Berzerker

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    I think Biden wants her, we'll see how much cuz she's definitely gonna take a hit from this.
     
  20. Gorbles

    Gorbles Load Balanced

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    A lot of things are arguable. I really think you're reading too much into my use of the word. It's arguable because it's been argued here, plus I'm unfamiliar with the level of detail required (especially on a phone).

    It's arguable because I see it as a good faith justification that's consistent with your arguments. I don't agree with it, and Lexicus has been able to explain why better than I have been able to. I'll defer to his arguments for that reason.
     

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