2020 US Election (Part One)

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It's 2+ years into a deeply corrupt, inhumane Trump Junta and the press are only NOW beginning to realize what the rest of us knew before day 1. It's not good enough and it's too late, they are complicit in this mess and their desire for decorum and "bothsides" has utterly ruined this country.
I don't know what press you are reading, but even the right leaning newspaper I read has been hammering Trump for over two years.
Your hatred seems to bias what you think is being reported. Yes, there are many right outlets that support him but they are considerably out numbered by those that are piling on him.
 
Hatred implies i care about these people, If i could live without them i would, unfortunately such an option does not exist.
 
I have no solution, just thinking out loud here, but that seems to be the situation.

Stinky backroom deals were and often are questionable. But they let Democrats and Republicans trade policy crap they don't like out of sight for things that people agree on. With a camera on everything, the internet of forever, forgiveness being passe, and the stupidest active voters winnowing everything through primaries - zealots too dumb for the strength of bending wield outsized capacity to do harm.
 
It's 2+ years into a deeply corrupt, inhumane Trump Junta and the press are only NOW beginning to realize what the rest of us knew before day 1. It's not good enough and it's too late, they are complicit in this mess and their desire for decorum and "bothsides" has utterly ruined this country.

Beats me what you've been reading but outside Fox, Breitbart etc the Press has been dumping on Trump since he took the oath.
 
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Beats me what you've been reading but outside Fox, Breitbart etc the Press has been dumping on Trump since he took the oath.

Since he took the oath isn't the issue. During the campaign major media outlets failed to compensate for the changing environment, which led to a pretty steady rotation of "Today's sign from Trump of his absolute corruption and unfitness for office" followed by "in the interest of fairness and since she hasn't done anything new, here's a rehash of Hillary's mostly debunked 'but her e-mails' problem." The end result was that most of Trump's massively egregious behavior was gone by the next news cycle while Clinton took a constant hammering on a relatively minor issue. That "must balance air time to maintain unbiased" form of journalism had always worked before, but it failed miserably in 2016.

I do disagree with @Cloud_Strife here though, since I think a whole lot of the major media has actually acknowledged their error. Not that it does any good at this point, but they have at least learned something.
 
Any publicly is good publicity (except pedophilia).

I cracked up when they announced Hilary as a candidate. At the very least anyone with half a brain would realize she would drive GoP turnout and she had been around for to long and had to much baggage.

Biden has the same problem except he is hated less.

Any candidate will get attack adds some just make it easier.
 
I do disagree with @Cloud_Strife here though, since I think a whole lot of the major media has actually acknowledged their error. Not that it does any good at this point, but they have at least learned something.

They have learned nothing. They will say it's an error but there is no sign I can see that the practices that led to it are being changed.

It also really annoys me that instead of saying "Trump is lying and making the White House lie too" they'll say stuff like "experts in the topic have disputed the White House's characterization of the thing"
 
Stinky backroom deals were and often are questionable. But they let Democrats and Republicans trade policy crap they don't like out of sight for things that people agree on. With a camera on everything, the internet of forever, forgiveness being passe, and the stupidest active voters winnowing everything through primaries - zealots too dumb for the strength of bending wield outsized capacity to do harm.
This makes me think about something else. As contemporaneous example... Mitt Romney's lurker Twitter handle... "Pierre Delecto" was just outed by Slate reporter Ashley Feinberg. He was using it to share his more candid (honest) opinions about Trump... So oopsie-poopsie, I guess that's the end of that.

Since we are now in an era where you can't do as much privately because everything is recorded, everything is public, the old era of being able to free-wheel at backroom deals (compromises) is over. The era of being able to maintain a squeaky clean, idealized public image, and be a... dare I say role-model, or moral leader... yeah that's done. But what's missing, or at least where voters/the public is lagging behind, is that we are still applying that idealized standard of what politicians are supposed to live up to... as if we haven't learned yet that its a farce and always was. All our most beloved politicians and leaders through history were just as much of degenerate scumbags as the ones we have now... we just didn't know about it.

What needs to happen... and what I think will eventually happen, and maybe already is happening... is that voters will start realizing that you've just got to let some stuff slide, because otherwise no one is going to be fit for office... except the kind of lifelong ambitious souless ruthless ladder-climbers whose every move and statement and phot since birth is carefully controlled and crafted by a team of folks (including their parents), to make sure they are "fit" for office, with no blemishes whatsoever in their past. Is that who we want for elected office? People who have been groomed to be empty suits from birth? A veritable ruler-caste? I don't think so. Part of why folks rejected Hillary was exactly this complaint about her. So the alternative, is that we have to desensitize to dirt in a politician's past. Because we're going to hear about it... all of it... and you have to be prepared to handwave generously if you don't want to be constantly let down when the imperfections are exposed.

So... just thinking out loud again... but maybe Trump's supporters are actually ahead of the curve, in the sense that they have the brass cojones to just mentally muscle through all the negative media their guy gets, recognizing that in this day and age, every single lie, cheat, steal, kill... every nasty thing you say and do is going to be exposed, so at some point you just have to acknowledge that nobody's perfect, and most people are scum in one way or another, so pick your side, stick to your guns and ignore the bad.
 
You'll have to turn a blind eye to a politians faults.

Like Clinton with Monica. Trump's a prime example.
Even the nice ones like Obama are going to have to get in the slime. Did Obama have anything nasty stick? That wasn't a GoP hack job?
 
Yeah, there can be too much of that too.

Seriously though, if people can't compromise while still disagreeing with each other, then they're going to kill each other. Which is probably what all the little information warfare trollboxes that the dimmer bulbs glom onto with "half the country is ebil!" are actually aiming at.

All the results seemed to indicate that sketchy state-created social media participation amplifies idiots on the fringes*. The middle makes things work, most needed when it's gross and messy. Therefore if the goal is full blown horror, the middle is the first enemy.

*so easy to do. Scour the internet, find some group of loons, present as opponent. Outrage porn playbook start and end. Repeat. Repeat. I mean seriously. If Garrison Keillor can't say "Whoops, didn't think the emails were bad. Sorry, I stopped. Like a while ago." then what in the hell chance does somebody you already don't like have?
 
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At the very least they might not be evil but they are morally deficient but it's cool man because as usual you seem all too willing to cry about how bad the center has it, even as they continue to dominate politics.
 
Do you get that facial expression a lot when you talk? Just curious. :lol:

Edit: yes Cloud, boo hoo. I am aggrieved. Woe unto your house.
 
I'm liking it how the gloves are off about Clinton, and some people replying to her attacks are finally managing to get published:

“Even for a Clinton, this is the worst kind of McCarthyite slander, perhaps conjured up with no evidence over too many glasses of Chardonnay with her best friends and masters of deception at Goldman Sachs,” said Jonathan Tasini, a progressive strategist who supports Sanders.
“The rich irony here is that if anyone is a paid asset of a foreign government, it’s Hillary Clinton, whose foundation has happily pocketed millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia whose dictators oppress women and are carrying out a genocidal war against civilians in Yemen, none of which seems to bother her.”

Sanders has to fight. Playing nice doesn't work with the people he's up against.
 
You'll have to turn a blind eye to a politians faults.

Like Clinton with Monica. Trump's a prime example.
Even the nice ones like Obama are going to have to get in the slime. Did Obama have anything nasty stick? That wasn't a GoP hack job?

Never EVER forget the tan suit man. What is wrong with you!?

 
I hear all the time about the corruption of the Democrats, the moderate Democrats neoliberalism, and establishment pro-donor-class, pro-status-quo policies, they support the wealthy, banker class not the poor, on and on, etc. But what are black voters supposed to do? Vote for the Republicans? Vote for the party that houses the klan and the other folks in the contry who revile and despise them? Nope, gotta stick with the Democrats.
Its like Michael Che (SNL Weekend Update host) joked. African-Americans aren't Democrats, they just vote for the person who looks least likely to still call Muhammad Ali 'Cassius'.
 
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