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2020 US Election

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lexicus, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. Lexicus

    Lexicus Deity

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    Yeah I forgot about him (to the crows with you for reminding me he exists :nono:), he is the actual worst
     
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  2. Estebonrober

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    Idk you start that hat thread and I gave you multiple legit responses to it and you never replied. They were honest and I was intent on your feedback and you just wanted to respond to the argument with Cloud. I don't mind you fighting back, it just seems you seem to be complaining about the fight.

    Anyways I appreciate your opinions fwiw.
     
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  3. rah

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    Thanks for that. My purpose for the thread was not for me to support it but to say that the opposition to it was mostly because of them being worn by the other party. And using racism as an excuse to vilify every person that has ever worn it, Which is just plain silly. The polarization of this country deeply bothers me. Especially for those caught in the middle.

    And yeah it got kind of out of hand because many want to attack instead of discuss. Cloud being the usual culprit.
     
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  4. Estebonrober

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    Yea I get caught up often too. Its hard to remember that no one ever comes around due to arguments that are had in angry tones, but what can happen is with polite point making you can shift an opinion over time. Usually that happens later, like with me my belief in market capitalism was completely rocked by two things. Realizing progressive tax rates before I was born were much different and the events of the financial collapse forever changed how I view capital and capitalism. Looking back at it in hindsight a lot of "leftists" whom I disagreed with before those epiphanies were shaping my future opinions after those events. Some of those people still talk to me, but a lot of them are gone from my circles.
     
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  5. rah

    rah Deity Supporter

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    Regardless of my signature, I think this place had pulled me more to the middle which is farther left than when I started. :lol:
     
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    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    It will be fun in the - maybe not so distant - future, when all the in-betweens will be removed.
    Currently it is still all a blur. To the extent that I don't much feel pretending anymore, so let me just outright announce that I am working with the alien take-over.
    They don't care about humans; the 10.000 year war on asteroid 432456 is alone more of an issue for them, and that is just some machines owned by a company which used to be part of a brain.
     
  7. Camikaze

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    I'm not sure the incorrect labelling of Sanders as a communist can be attributed to any sort of anti-Semitism, when he self-identifies as a socialist and the US has had a historically well-known difficulty in distinguishing between the two. Anti-semitism could I suppose lie deep in the layers behind that difficulty, but it would take a lot of peeling for the average person to get there.
     
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  8. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    I think its mostly because of where the US's Overton window is. There's nothing extreme or crazy about most of Bernie's proposals when viewed by someone outside of the US. In other industrialized nations hes not crackpot, communist, hes just left, period. Many of his "ideas" aren't his at all. They're already in practice in many places around the world. Most of them are empirically better than what we're doing here.

    I'd say he's the pragmatist, from a global perspective anyway.
     
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    Obamacare was a GOP idea and had even been called Romneycare for its previous champion right up until the moment he proposed it at which point it was labeled a communist plot to destroy the country. GOP propaganda has actually made me much more receptive of socialist ideas because of this kind of nonsense.
     
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  10. Takhisis

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    The accusations of socialism are coming from the same people who enjoy the vocal support of the Ku Klux Klan and ‘Jews will not replace us’.
     
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    Global?
     
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    He says in that same post ‘outside of the US’.
     
  13. Socrates99

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    Oh shoot, did I say that evil word?
     
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    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    Sorry, i dont equate "global" with "western industrialized nations", especially if you are excluding the US.
     
  16. Estebonrober

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    I can so related to this statement.
     
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  17. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    RCP seems to indicate that Warren and Bloomberg are slowly gaining at Biden and Bootyjudge's expense. Bernie is holding but can't seem to get past right around 20%.

    We need more people to drop out.
     
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    Good, well-reasoned arguments may not look like "winners" in politics, but they are a seed for the future, food for thought when circumstances require more involvement.
     
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    You're not the only one who feels that way. In fact, most American would feel that way and were not called the Exhausted Majority for nothing. I'd encourage you to take a read of The Hidden Tribes of America, it's quite an interesting and an eye opener why I feel politically homeless.
     
  20. Imaus

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    Honestly it just feels like America is finding their labels. Which I feel is a great thing. I'm the '8 percent' political activist. The only problem is that the structure of the system hasn't caught up, and it won't as long as FPTP Two-party systems hold out. At the very least, you need *actual* big-tent coalition parties to get a 'voice', and beyond that, multiple parties.

    The rest of the first world orbits around, but is not chained to, two parties; it's not the end of the world if we also change. While some gritting of teeth has to be done and working-together with the furthest reaches of the same side is to be expected to facilitate change, once that is done the change should come rapidly and we all go our separate ways.
     
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